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Improvised road trips in The Republic of Ireland and Ireland. Limerick, the Burren, Galway, Aran, Mayo, Roscommon, Sligo, Donegal, Tyrone, Londonderry, Antrim, Derry, Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow, Glendalough, Wexford, Kilkenny, Kinsale, Cork,  Dingle-Kerry, Tipperary. Family surname recaps.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>61</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-1888891112037177108</id><published>2012-02-26T13:17:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2012-02-26T18:42:15.087-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='A Year&apos;s Turning'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Michael Viney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Long Live the Weeds'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Mayo'/><title type='text'>Mayo. Traces of Famine Past. Michael Viney Writes.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BY9ICsRe7is/Rw-4DUQkPDI/AAAAAAAABdA/2uMVgbxQE_g/s1600/irelandaftgalwayseabeachstones.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="267" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BY9ICsRe7is/Rw-4DUQkPDI/AAAAAAAABdA/2uMVgbxQE_g/s400/irelandaftgalwayseabeachstones.jpg" width="400" /&gt;Galway, road to Mayo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;This references an article of culture, tone, atmosphere, a heartbeat of a part of a country, that should be online and is not. It is Michael Viney, who&amp;nbsp;wrote a "chronicle of country life" -- &lt;em&gt;A Year's Turning&lt;/em&gt;, in 1996. This excerpt may be from that, see &lt;em&gt;Natural History Endpaper,&lt;/em&gt; April 1999 at p. 104.&amp;nbsp; For the book, see &lt;a href="http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/7343621/used/A%20Year%27s%20Turning"&gt;http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/7343621/used/A%20Year%27s%20Turning&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Old crop rows show under the grass. The rows are raised beds of earth where potatoes and oats grew, before the Famine.&amp;nbsp; They look like wales of corduroy, says Michael Viiney, columnist with the Irish Times. His article, &lt;em&gt;Long Live the Weeds&lt;/em&gt;, appeared in the April 1999 issue of Natural History, but is not online. See &lt;a href="http://naturalhistorymag.com/inprint/issues/1999"&gt;http://naturalhistorymag.com/inprint/issues/1999&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1LpJSwU8KE4/T0rBtM3qeTI/AAAAAAAANRA/Nly3n8X6sNk/s1600/cattlechruin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" lda="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1LpJSwU8KE4/T0rBtM3qeTI/AAAAAAAANRA/Nly3n8X6sNk/s400/cattlechruin.jpg" width="400" /&gt;Church ruin, now in a pasture, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The land with its echoe of the past is a cacophony of textures, smells. Fuschia windbreaks, fleeces of dead nettle, amid vegetables in the sandy soil.&amp;nbsp; Weed and wildflower, why distinguish. Colors, and a lovely ramble through his experience in his garden, with the hoe, not too fiercely managing this and encouraging that. Ruined cabins nearby, stones falling, bumblebees, hoverflies. A summer acre in "flowery continuum.: Many of the weeds we consider American came in on the coattails of the English colonists. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This should be online. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-1888891112037177108?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/1888891112037177108/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=1888891112037177108' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1888891112037177108'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1888891112037177108'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2012/02/mayo-traces-of-famine-past.html' title='Mayo. 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Colman mac Lenine and a Company of Poets</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Early Celtic Poets&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These &lt;a href="http://www.europeroadways.com/"&gt;Europe Road Ways&lt;/a&gt; travel sites have morphed beyond accounts of unscripted road trips; to a framework for ideas, resources found afterwards.&amp;nbsp; In that vein:&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;filing cabinet now includes&amp;nbsp;Old Irish, and other poetry, most Celtic, but even that term contains many roots. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;First millenium literature:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Browse an old book, Nora Chadwick's &lt;em&gt;The Celts&lt;/em&gt;, that some found plodding, but I loved the poetry section in particular. Use an old term:&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=enthrall&amp;amp;allowed_in_frame=0"&gt;enthralled&lt;/a&gt;. First published in 1971, it reappared in 1997 with a new introduction, and further editions came later. See&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.librarything.com/work/97951"&gt;http://www.librarything.com/work/97951&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Time to get off our modern superiority horse, and go back to pre-10th Century:&amp;nbsp; imagine a&amp;nbsp;solitary scholar-writer&amp;nbsp;(he is with his little book, about "science"?&amp;nbsp;and his cat),&amp;nbsp;but the idiom is too English ("derring-do"?)&amp;nbsp;to be quite real in translation;&amp;nbsp;need to find the original, what language, what transliteration. Would it be the Old Irish, Gaelic, see &lt;a href="http://www.dias.ie/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=4746&amp;amp;Itemid=16&amp;amp;lang=en"&gt;http://www.dias.ie/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=4746&amp;amp;Itemid=16&amp;amp;lang=en&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Fair use quotation of three poems, pages 260-61:&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;I.&amp;nbsp; First, the poet, the work at the book (no religious reference in the poem, so it does not appear to be a contemplative at work), and the cat, Pangur.&amp;nbsp; This predates by over a thousand years, and expresses better, the idea that solitude produces creativity for many of us, far more than the current darling, Groupthink, see Opinion in the New York Times, &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/opinion/sunday/the-rise-of-the-new-groupthink.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=groupthink&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/opinion/sunday/the-rise-of-the-new-groupthink.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=groupthink&amp;amp;st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our Solitary says it this way --&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love to rest -- better than any fame --&lt;br /&gt;With close study at my little&amp;nbsp; book;&lt;br /&gt;White Pangur does not envy me;&lt;br /&gt;He loves his childish play.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;When in our house we two are all alone --&lt;br /&gt;A tale without tedium!&lt;br /&gt;We have -- sport never ending!&lt;br /&gt;Something to exercise our wit.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;At times by feats of derring-do&lt;br /&gt;A mouse sticks in his net,&lt;br /&gt;While into my net there drops&lt;br /&gt;A difficult problem of hard meaning.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;He points his full shining eye&lt;br /&gt;Against the fence of the wall;&lt;br /&gt;I point my clear though feeble eye &lt;br /&gt;Against the keenness of science.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;He rejoices with quick leaps&lt;br /&gt;When in his sharp claws sticks a mouse.&lt;br /&gt;I too rejoice when I have grasped&lt;br /&gt;A problem difficult and dearly loved.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Although we are thus at all times,&lt;br /&gt;Neither hinders the other,&lt;br /&gt;Each of us pleased with his own art&lt;br /&gt;Amuses himself alone.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;He is a master of the work&lt;br /&gt;Which every day he does;&lt;br /&gt;While I am at my own work&lt;br /&gt;To bring difficulty to clearness.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;II. Fast forward into the 10th Century, a bemoaning of the nature of free thought when the religion required focus only what was told it: But who is the author?&amp;nbsp; We are not told. Is it not known?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was apparently&amp;nbsp;written when &lt;a href="http://www.reformationsa.org/articles/King%20Alfred%20the%20Great.htm"&gt;Alfred the Great, 845-901&lt;/a&gt;, was just finishing up against the Danes, who did&amp;nbsp;not consider themselves quite finished.&amp;nbsp; This elegance and precision came just a century after the adventures of &lt;a href="http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Cchulainn/id/1941697"&gt;Cu Chulainn&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;he the more primitive idol of derring-do of the time,&amp;nbsp;were being recorded.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Watch thought itself chastised&amp;nbsp; (To be countered by the Dear Reader's silent cheer for the&amp;nbsp; underdog, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;O, admirable thought, never succomb....&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Even to those determined to force-tame thee&amp;nbsp;in the false name of ideology &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Retain instead thine ebullient&amp;nbsp;spontaneity &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;So that divine Autonomy&amp;nbsp;may overcome the pricks of shame-filled mold-mould Groupthink. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;A path that is not right?&amp;nbsp; Who says?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is it to &lt;a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fash"&gt;fash&lt;/a&gt;?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why see other ways as threat, competition in powers not understood, and so to be downed, deemed wanton and to be cast under red-slippered feet, the fate early set for the Other, see &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/opinion/for-priests-wives-a-word-of-caution.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=wives%20catholic%20clergy&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/opinion/for-priests-wives-a-word-of-caution.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=wives%20catholic%20clergy&amp;amp;st=cse&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Here, I would prefer to be the thought, than the disciplined grinch of requirement--&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;"Shame to my thoughts, how they stray from me,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;I fear great danger from it on the day of eternal doom.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;During the psalms they wander on a path that is not right;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;They fash, they fret, they misbehave before the eyes of great God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Through eager crowds, through companies of wanton women,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Through woods, through cities -- swifter they are than the wind.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Now through paths of loveliness, anon of riotous shame.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Without ferry, or ever missing a step, they go across every sea: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Swiftly they leap in one bound from earth to heaven,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;They run a race with folly anear and afar:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;After a course of giddiness they return to their home.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Though one should try to bind them or put shackles on their feet,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;They are neither constant nor mindful to take a spell of rest.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Neither sword-edge nor crack of whip will keep them down strongly:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;As slippery as an eel's tail they glide out of my grasp ...."&lt;/div&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Not to beat a dead mare, but it sounds as though the poet-male is looking with longing and even envy at the freedom of the free-wheeling idea as&amp;nbsp;- even Woman: woman the object of such frenetic measures to pin and control.&amp;nbsp; See the NYT Op-Ed above.&amp;nbsp; Characterize her as institutional western religion's bane, as she is when she is not subject to sword-edge or crack of whip, but instead, glides out of grasp, led by wits,&amp;nbsp;choice and heart; and&amp;nbsp;accountable only to those wits, choices, and heart.&amp;nbsp; Wax and wane....&amp;nbsp; the law of the universe, denied by those who want to sit atop their manufactured pyramid.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;III.&amp;nbsp; The "catch" on the sword.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a pastime bit, perhaps intended only as a diversion; but its author is known for poesy -- Colman mac Lenine, 522-600 AD, The Royal Bard of Munster, see &lt;a href="http://www.foscc.com/StColman.html"&gt;http://www.foscc.com/StColman.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Now Sainted by the institutionizers. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not accurate to call this little rhyme-repeat as a true catch, however, as&amp;nbsp;that construction signifies a round sung in sequential parts, with a hidden (even bawdy) message as the singers go&amp;nbsp;'round, with increasing enthusiasm probably,&amp;nbsp;and various words get juxtaposed, see Catch form at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/lit_terms_C.html"&gt;http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/lit_terms_C.html&lt;/a&gt;; but in the sense of catchy here, it suffices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ordinary life appears in this little poem: a bit on a sword, but again some later Englishisms of the translator do not seem authentic.&amp;nbsp; The use of "catch" in the poem itself does look correct in its reference, even if not as a description of this poem form itself.&amp;nbsp; He writes of "catches roared" as well they would be, could be, given the play on words resulting from the "catch"; compared to a sweet song.&amp;nbsp; Need to see the original:&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;"As clowns to kings, as pennies to a pound,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;As kitchen wenches to princesses crowned,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;As kings to thee, to sweet songs catches roared,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;As dips to candles, all swords to my sword."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This little snippet is brilliant simplicity.&amp;nbsp; It author was highly literary. See bio at St. Colman site. He is referenced by other great poets of the day, including one Cormac mac Cuilennain, or Cormac ua Cuilennain, 836-908 AD,&amp;nbsp;identified as &lt;a href="http://generation13.net/Erens/pages/cashel-dermot.html"&gt;king&lt;/a&gt;-bishop of &lt;a href="http://generation13.net/Erens/pages/cashel-dermot.html"&gt;Cashel&lt;/a&gt;. That position combined the ruler with the religious role, see &lt;a href="http://generation13.net/Kintyremull/pages/Saggart2.html"&gt;http://generation13.net/Kintyremull/pages/Saggart2.html&lt;/a&gt;. Cormac is author of a fine glossary, linguistic dictionary, see &lt;a href="http://www.focloir.ie/lexi/"&gt;http://www.focloir.ie/lexi/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Colman mac Lenine&amp;nbsp;is also mentioned by the identified "chief poetic family of Ireland" -- the &lt;a href="http://www.angelfire.com/sc2/yankee/Dalyhistory.html"&gt;O'Dalys&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-7894143123230860463?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7894143123230860463/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=7894143123230860463' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7894143123230860463'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7894143123230860463'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2012/01/cork-colman-mac-lenine-and-company-of.html' title='Cork.  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Hill of Tara, Navan.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tara was the seat of the High Kings of Ireland, dating back to 2000 BC, see &lt;a href="http://www.yourirish.com/history/ancient/high-kings/"&gt;http://www.yourirish.com/history/ancient/high-kings/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It is hard to fix where myth ends and historical figures begin, however, but their powers&amp;nbsp;were broad-based and provided for annual&amp;nbsp;gatherings, public works, collection of taxes, providing for defense and emergency, and legal judgments and setting laws.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" dir="ltr" style="clear: both; text-align: center;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDsX4ajwITI/TqiBWRFYnII/AAAAAAAAMvA/cfBXOoQcCBM/s1600/irelandstandingstonephal.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="400" ida="true" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pDsX4ajwITI/TqiBWRFYnII/AAAAAAAAMvA/cfBXOoQcCBM/s400/irelandstandingstonephal.jpg" width="160" /&gt;Hill of Tara, Meath, Ireland, Standing Stone&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" dir="ltr" style="clear: both; text-align: center;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" dir="ltr" style="clear: both; text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;The Tara complex&amp;nbsp;consists of burial mounds, depressions representing old roadways, structures, aerial views of patterns in the earth, concentric circles, and may be one of the most photographed areas in Ireland. &lt;a href="http://www.uni-due.de/DI/Architecture_Art.htm"&gt;http://www.uni-due.de/DI/Architecture_Art.htm&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it also is one of the most frustrating because the Christian world&amp;nbsp;coopted on&amp;nbsp; (piggybacked) ancient ways, the Christians tried to Christianize the old religious, royal and civic sites, to the diminution of both ideas.&amp;nbsp; It is hard to get a photo of the main event without also a cross or other Christian thing entering in. On the cut-off side here of our photo of the primary standing stone, this obvious phallus-obelisk form so common in the world (Washington Monument anyone?), is a cross.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"&gt;Take the cross away. It has no place here, even if you are St. Patrick. This is great Tara. So we did. We cut out the cross entirely. Good. Better. Now, take away the church sitting up there like a fish out of water.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tara.&amp;nbsp;Tara Hill. Ancient seat of kings, now with a motorway slicing through, is that so? See &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/irelandtarahill.htm"&gt;http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/irelandtarahill.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Five Roads to Tara.&amp;nbsp;In the times of the ancient kings, apparently there were five roads from each of the kingdoms to Tara, one of which was the major east-west route from Galway to&amp;nbsp;Dublin, near Tara.&amp;nbsp; That may&amp;nbsp;be&amp;nbsp;becoming a "monastic route" for tourists, and we hope the other routes also can help organize trips to Ireland, see &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.tarataratara.net/resources/Tara_roads/Tara_Five_roads.htm"&gt;http://www.tarataratara.net/resources/Tara_roads/Tara_Five_roads.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-1892320220752925057?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/1892320220752925057/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=1892320220752925057' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1892320220752925057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1892320220752925057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/meath-hill-of-tara.html' title='Meath.  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Even Scythian. And More Ancient, Perhaps. A Manageable Timeline, Ireland</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Celtic and more Ancient History&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Manageable Timeline, Ireland&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Scythians - The Mystery&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;I.&amp;nbsp; Overview &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The history of the Celts, and other groups in ancient Ireland, such as Milesians, see &lt;a href="http://www.danann.org/library/arch/mil.html"&gt;http://www.danann.org/library/arch/mil.html&lt;/a&gt;,  is hard to find in one location.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Some sites are overwhelming because they put all angles in one configuration:&amp;nbsp; religious, cultural, military, colonization, see &lt;a href="http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html."&gt;http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html.&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; That comprehensive site is best used as a framework once the basic history is understood better. Start, then, with the more simplistic and changeable, perhaps not reliable as to each point (yet), but a framework:&amp;nbsp; Wiki - &lt;a href="http://www.houseofnames.com/wiki/Ireland"&gt;http://www.houseofnames.com/wiki/Ireland&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This site at least separates out the Milesians and Picts from the later Celts.&amp;nbsp; Is that correct?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there are the Scythians, who may have been forebears of the Milesians, see &lt;a href="http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/scythian.html"&gt;http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/scythian.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; They weaponized nature - spreading plague by boobytraps, toxic projectiles, hurl hornet hives, see Archeology Odyssey, magazine &lt;a href="http://www.bib-arch.org/archaeology-odyssey.asp"&gt;http://www.bib-arch.org/archaeology-odyssey.asp&lt;/a&gt;, March-April 2005, article &lt;em&gt;Ancient WMD's&lt;/em&gt; by Adrienne Mayor. Greeks, Scythians, a Central Asian nomadic people by that time, who could also tip their arrows with "scythicon" - dung, human blood serum and poisonous viper venom, article at 31.&amp;nbsp; They were a martial force to be feared. Does that explain how they, if they did, migrated intact through Spain to Ireland, and also up the Eastern European Caucasus. A founding father of Troy was known for steeping his arrow tips with poison, one Amycus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See Research notes at FN 1 &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II.&amp;nbsp; Manageable Timeline&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1270 or So BC -- is this at all reliable? Milesians, Queen Scota,&amp;nbsp; http://www.danann.org/library/arch/mil.html ; see also the long narrative at &lt;a href="http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/scythian.html"&gt;http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/scythian.html&lt;/a&gt;. Scroll to Scota. Odyssey magazine, at 17 (see site above) lists the Egyptian dynasties -- if Scota is an Egyptian princess (?) the 1270 date would put her father as perhaps Rameses II, or perhaps Seti?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1000 BC&amp;nbsp; On the continent, Celts emerged as a loosely-knit "barbaric" (that at the time meant non-Greek, not any aspersion as to a less developed, more lawless culture) nation in the region north of the Alps.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;8th C BC&amp;nbsp; Southern England becomes populated with farming peoples, in the chalk-lands (Wiltshire?), and in the north with a more fierce group -- warriors with swords, horses, perhaps just bands of adventurers at that time. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;5th C. BC&amp;nbsp; Migrants continued to come to southern England from northern France and the Low Countries areas, and those seemed to form the bulk of the population through the Roman conquest. Theirs became known as an Iron Age"A" culture and it appears that they were Celts in origin, by structures and culture. (need to go to the book directly for details and vetting)&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;450 BC&amp;nbsp; Herodotus era.&amp;nbsp; Herodotus, historian, 484-425 BC.&amp;nbsp;See &lt;a href="http://biography.yourdictionary.com/herodotus"&gt;http://biography.yourdictionary.com/herodotus&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; The Greeks recognized the Celts as a major foreign people that they called Keltoi, living west and north of the Western Mediterranean.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;400 BC&amp;nbsp; A tribe of the Celts, that the Romans called Galli, or Gauls, invaded northern Italy.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;325 BC&amp;nbsp; Pytheas of Massilia (Marseilles), Greek navigator and geographer, see &lt;a href="http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pytheas"&gt;http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pytheas&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp; refers to Ireland and Britain as Pretanic Islands.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;3rd Century BC - Another group of Celts came to southern Britain, known to us now as the Iron Age "B" people.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Then (when?) came a third wave of Celts known as the Belgae, also Celtic in organization and language. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;64 BC - 27 AD --&amp;nbsp; Geographer and historian, and philosopher:&amp;nbsp; the&amp;nbsp;Greek,&amp;nbsp;Strabo. See &lt;a href="http://www.s9.com/Biography/Strabo"&gt;http://www.s9.com/Biography/Strabo&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Strabo wrote (says Violet), "The whole (Celtic) nation is war-mad, high-spirited and quick for battle"&amp;nbsp; Other writers also noted their bravery in battle, but hospitality at home, and a strict code of etiquette towards visitors.&amp;nbsp; Artifacts show Celtic manual skills and artistic perception. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Cultural comments:  Physical appearance, as noted frequently by Greek and Latin writers -- fair skin, blue eyes, blond hair, height tall, and muscular.  Aristocratic dress:  For men, tunic to the knees.  For women, tunic to the ankles.  Both, gathered at waist, belted.  Cloak on top, a square, held by a brooch.  Shoes:  leather shoes and sandles.  Headgear:  unimportant.  Ornaments:  neck-ring, torque, or gold or bronze. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;55-43 BC&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Rome invades Britain, see &lt;a href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/romans_in_britain.htm"&gt;http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/romans_in_britain.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Ireland began receiving exiles and refugees from Gaul and Britain, as the Romans proceeded.&amp;nbsp; Did these new people merely augment an existing Celtic broad-based system, or were these the groups that crystalized it?&amp;nbsp; Not sure.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Roman conquest meant political oblivion for the Celts, except in Ireland. The Irish continued their raids on Roman Britain, and in the north of England these Irish were called Scotti.  The name "Scotia" was given to Ireland.  [Ultimately, in the 11th Century, this name "Scotia" was transferred to the northern part of Britain, now Scotland.]&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;5th Century AD -&amp;nbsp; Celts, pushed to the coast, set up the Kingdom of Dalraida (Dal Riata, see &lt;a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/celts.html"&gt;http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/celts.html&lt;/a&gt;), there are in Argyll and the neighboring islands, both serving as an offshoot of northeast Ireland.&amp;nbsp; The two countries (Ireland areas and the now Scottish areas)&amp;nbsp;at this point cannot be more than 25 miles apart.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-clKRj-lMNx4/TqBC9HtgdFI/AAAAAAAAMuw/dJtP9FZmpro/s1600/scan0019.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="173" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-clKRj-lMNx4/TqBC9HtgdFI/AAAAAAAAMuw/dJtP9FZmpro/s400/scan0019.jpg" width="400" /&gt;Ballycastle, view of Rathlin Island, Ireland and Kintyre, Scotland is beyond &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find Rathlin at &lt;a href="http://adrianmckinty.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-they-decided-rathlin-island-was.html"&gt;http://adrianmckinty.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-they-decided-rathlin-island-was.html&lt;/a&gt;.  Settled since 6000 BC, but not by "Scottish" - settled by Celts of that era. The Irish language, Gaelic, was implanted in Scotland, thus the Highlands became Gaelic speaking, while the Lowlands became English speaking, says Violet in her notes of &lt;i&gt;The Celts&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;450 AD&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ireland's relative isolation also meant it was free not only from Roman intervention, but also the Saxon migrations that began in England when the Roman Empire fell,&amp;nbsp;see &lt;a href="http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/westeurope/AngloSaxon.html"&gt;http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/westeurope/AngloSaxon.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Early Christian Ireland continued on its own path with its age of saints and scholars untainted by the mainland Christianity evolving in Rome. Monasteries at Lindisfarne, Iona, drew monks and scholars, and led to their taking their message over parts of Europe and establishing monasteries and colleges.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;400-700's&amp;nbsp; They went to areas where for 500 years after Rome fell, the ordinary people were illiterate, as was Charlemagne himself.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;7th Century AD&amp;nbsp; Fast forward .&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;It appears to be known, however, that: (here I quote Violet because I know her to be a diligent student of history -- go read the book, I'll take Violet's word as she wrote it April 15, 1977, as a Family Elder, here)&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Only in Ireland did there survive a language and literature that sprang directly from the ancient Celts, uncontaminated by Rome.  The (Christian early) missionaries found in Ireland a highly organized body of learned men with specialists in customary law, in sacred arts, heroic literature and geneology.  When paganism was supplanted, the traditional oral schools contiinued to flourish side by side with the new monasteries." &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"By the 7th&amp;nbsp;century A.D. (if not earlier) there existed aristocratic Irish monks who&amp;nbsp;had also been fully educated in the traditional native learning.&amp;nbsp; This led to the first writing of the vernacular literature which because the oldest in Europe after Greek and Latin.&amp;nbsp;(Yet) [t]he systematic study of Old Irish language and literature is a thing of only the past 100 years."&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;1249 AD&amp;nbsp; The last traditional inauguration of a King of the Scots took place, for Alexander III.&amp;nbsp; He was led to the sacred Stone of Scone, received homage of the people, and heard his pedigree recited in Gaelic, says Violet. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1603&amp;nbsp; AD. Scotland loses its independence.&amp;nbsp; James IV of Scotland became James I of England, after the death of Elizabeth I.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;End of Violet's notes, letter April 15, 1977, from &lt;i&gt;The Celts&lt;/i&gt; study. Vet Violet? I don't need to, but if you want to, be quick.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Other texts she has relied upon through the years:&lt;br /&gt;The Scottish Clans, I believe that is the one that is now an e-book, see &lt;a href="http://www.scotclans.com/bletherskite/?p=3137"&gt;http://www.scotclans.com/bletherskite/?p=3137&lt;/a&gt;; or is it this one? &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Scottish-Clans-Over-Featured-ebook/dp/B005LP01NU"&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Scottish-Clans-Over-Featured-ebook/dp/B005LP01NU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1&amp;nbsp; Research notes&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sites disagree. Are Picts,  Angles also Celts? We do not think so.&amp;nbsp; How about the early Scots  (Scotti) of Ireland, are they Milesians or Celts, raiding and then  settling in what is now Scotland.&amp;nbsp; Were they Celts, or predate?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Wiki  seems to resolve that.&amp;nbsp; Then go back to the many references to Spain and Iberians in Ireland (even sounds like Hibernia) in ancient times, see, e.g., &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/HistoryIreland/Conn-Hundred-Battles.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/HistoryIreland/Conn-Hundred-Battles.php&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; There, the ancient road, the Escir Riada, from Dublin to Galway, divided Conn's northern half from Eoghan's southern, there was a quarrel, and a Spaniard enters. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Oral traditions were recorded, and anybody can probably find an old  name close enough to claim a hypothetical lineage.&amp;nbsp; See ancient Milesian  lineages (grain of salt?)at &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_775413622"&gt;http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/history/milesian.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/history/milesian.html"&gt;;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Is  that Milesian ancestry, is anything reliable?&amp;nbsp; Scroll down to CONN  CEADCATHACH;  ("Conn of the Hundred Fights") -- sure sounds like  McConaghy to me! at 11Oth Monarch Slain &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;157 A.D. at Tara, "Seat of Kings".&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; I hereby claim Conn of the Hundred Fights, CeadCathach as McConaghy.&amp;nbsp; Prove me wrong.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Article pointing to one origin of Milesians, from Spain, see &lt;a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/Tuatha_de_Danaan.htm"&gt;http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/Tuatha_de_Danaan.htm.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/a&gt;What  authority for that site? At least it led us to the etymology of my  father's middle name, Carman, he of the Scharfe-Irish who emigrated  (Norse origins) in the 1840's from Kilkenny:&amp;nbsp; a goddess! We have to  believe Wikipedia.&amp;nbsp; I've looked for that for years. See &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carman"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Try this starting point: &amp;nbsp;at &lt;a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/celts.html"&gt;http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/celts.html&lt;/a&gt;.  Find that the Irish and the Scots, the old Scotti,&amp;nbsp; are indeed from the  same tribe, where they came from (originally Antrim area),  influences,&amp;nbsp;other quotations from contemporaneous&amp;nbsp;sources, customs. Good  site.&amp;nbsp; Then move to &lt;i&gt;Celtic Mysteries, The Ancient Religion&lt;/i&gt;, by John Sharkey, see &lt;a href="http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/jsharkey.html"&gt;http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/jsharkey.html&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;i&gt;How the Irish Saved Civilization&lt;/i&gt;, by Thomas Cahill, see &lt;a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html"&gt;http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Find elaborations on how the "Scotti" from Ireland came to be, and who was involved, maybe, at &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/tralee-queen-scotia-and-slieve-mish.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/tralee-queen-scotia-and-slieve-mish.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Irish mists. d&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Our family is uniquely situated, perhaps, as to Ireland because we  are a tripod: Three ways to confusion.&amp;nbsp; Nonetheless, all branches say  with pride, Irish. Pursue, pursue. Identity is an illusion and a matter  of choice of emphasis, is that so.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;a. The Norse, ours through the Scariff line if that is so; Vikings 795 AD or so, see h&lt;a href="http://www.reisenett.no/norway/facts/history/viking_age.html"&gt;ttp://www.reisenett.no/norway/facts/history/viking_age.html &lt;/a&gt;;&amp;nbsp; Rathlin Island wasted. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;b. The Scotti, the Scotic Colony, says &lt;a href="http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html"&gt;http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html&lt;/a&gt;, perhaps with even ancient middle eastern roots  (Scota?), then through Spain and Milesians 489 BC.&amp;nbsp; Or 200 BC? This is the  confusing group:&amp;nbsp; Fast forward to their activity once pressed by Celts  into the northeast, to Ulster; raiders and emigrant settlers to Scotland  and  Campbell-Robertsons (even Robert the Bruce, gasp, like everyone else)  &amp;nbsp;and perhaps then a loop. Back through the Plantation through the  McConaghy (spelled a hundred ways) line in Ulster-Donegal.&amp;nbsp; Before that:  the Firbolg, the Tuatha de Danaan, the Milesians that produce the  Scotti, or is that incorrect? see &lt;a href="http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html"&gt;http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/E800002-001/text001.html&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;c.&amp;nbsp; The Norman conquest line through the Briens, Norman Rule 1120 AD.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/?period=07&amp;amp;region=euwb"&gt;http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/?period=07&amp;amp;region=euwb&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/surname/dhnames1.html"&gt;;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/surname/dhnames1.html"&gt;http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/surname/dhnames1.html&lt;/a&gt;.  Is any research using actual names and actual descent reliable? Or just  the fun of finding the same name, De Brien in old records, and our  Briens of Trillick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Celts and Scotti, Milesians and Scotti.&amp;nbsp; More familiar is an  association between Celts and Scotti, probably because of simultaneous  activity against the Romans in Britain. A relative, named Violet,  researched the Celts and provided summaries, after close work with &lt;i&gt;The Celts&lt;/i&gt;, by T.G.E. Powell, see &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Celts-Ancient-Peoples-Places/dp/0500272751"&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Celts-Ancient-Peoples-Places/dp/0500272751&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;  I have put her information in a timeline, and added some comments and  other information. Why the interest in old cultures?&amp;nbsp; Our family area is  Donegal and&amp;nbsp;Ulster, and Ulster was the last of Ireland to be overcome  by the British after the Flight of the Earls left Ulster without  leaders.&amp;nbsp; The border areas in particular between what is now Donegal,  and Tyrone, and Londonderry were fiercely fought, opposing the  Plantation and then at the later Troubles.&amp;nbsp; Is any family clearly one  root or another.&amp;nbsp; Probably not.&amp;nbsp; Celtic Ireland, later migrations,  invasions, much of a piece.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ireland's isolation  preserved its Celtic past, more than would have been possible if Rome or  the Saxons had invaded, as they did and at the same time as in  England.&amp;nbsp; As it was, the invasions still came (Normans), but at least at  a later time. 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McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Londonderry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Town I Love So Well'/><title type='text'>Londonderry. Derry. Siege of Londonderry. McConaghey, McConnaghy, MacConnachie. Ulster Records</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Londonderry - the older Derry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;County Londonderry -- the older Derry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1911 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Census, a Family, and Then a Small Area History and Question&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The Flight of the Earls in 1607 from the Lough near Londonderry changed the landscape literally in Ulster, that then included Donegal.&amp;nbsp; All the lands owned by these hereditary, historic clan leaders went into escheat, to be redistributed by the English to its own settlers and Lords, see the Battle of Kinsale that fixed the English victory at Cork, see &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/kinsale-dublin-and-cork.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/kinsale-dublin-and-cork.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; And so, families like ours&amp;nbsp;have ties on both sides, with questions where there are Scots-English-Irish forebears with the same name, who was where when.&amp;nbsp; Were our Donegal people part of the Plantation, even though Donegal itself never became colonized. Or were they there on their own, Protestants in a sea of Catholics.&amp;nbsp; Who was our first? When? Aunt Edna, once-removed (?) says that McConaghy's appear as far back as 1617 in the Hall of Records kept at Belfast, but that may be just one of many. Or not.&amp;nbsp; FN 1 for Aunt Edna J. McConaghy's family recollection (everybody rather unwise). &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The family is still there.&amp;nbsp; A window to WWI also remains in Donegal. Londonderry is part&amp;nbsp;of Londonderry County, not Donegal County, but the areas to us on the outside do seem to blend.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;I.&amp;nbsp; A Census Entry, 1911&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;See census &lt;a href="http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&amp;amp;surname=McConaghey&amp;amp;firstname=Maurice&amp;amp;county=Londonderry&amp;amp;townland=&amp;amp;ded=&amp;amp;age=&amp;amp;sex=M&amp;amp;search=Search&amp;amp;relationToHead=&amp;amp;religion=&amp;amp;education=&amp;amp;occupation=&amp;amp;marriageStatus=&amp;amp;birthplace=&amp;amp;language=&amp;amp;deafdumb=&amp;amp;marriageYears=&amp;amp;childrenBorn=&amp;amp;childrenLiving="&gt;Maurice Edwin McConaghey and Family, Londonderry 1911&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;"Residents of a house 8 in Victoria Park&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Londonderry No. 5 Urban, Londonderry)&lt;br /&gt;Show all information&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;McConaghey Maurice Edwin 33 Male Head of Family Church of England India Soldair Captain ? Royal Sco? Read and write - Married - - - -&lt;br /&gt;McConaghey Cynthia Joan 23 Female Wife Church of England Isle of Wight - Read and write - Married - 5 2 2&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;McConaghey Richard Maurice ? 4 Male Son Church of England India - Cannot read - Single - - - -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;table class="results" summary="Residents"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr class="even"&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;McConaghey David Cunninghame 3 Male Son Church of England Dublin City - Cannot read - Single - - - -&lt;br /&gt;Estcourt Rosamund 19 Female Sister in Law Church of England Isle of Wight - Read and write - Single - - - -&lt;br /&gt;Brown Annie 18 Female Servant Church of Ireland Co Londonderry House Maid Domestic Servant Read and write - Single - - - -&lt;br /&gt;Loughray Maria 35 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Donegal Cook Domestic Servant Read and write - Single - - - -&lt;br /&gt;Macdermott Norah Kathleen 22 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Roscommon Parlour Maid Domestic Servant Read and write - Single - - - -&lt;br /&gt;Heslop Dorothy Jane 26 Female Servant Church of England"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;End of census entry.&lt;br /&gt;..........................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II. Maurice Edwin McConaghey, distant cousin,&amp;nbsp;of Londonderry (added his own "e"), was killed at Arras, France in 1917. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We cross three lines of Irish:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Indigenous or Plantation McConaghy's (various and creative spellings, including Gaelic); and Hildyards-Hilliards,&amp;nbsp;and whether those all were part of the Plantation or were some pre-existing in the area; and including (see The Scottish Clans), MacDhonnachaidh, Campbell of Inverawe; and Duncan, in Gaelic, Donnchadh, from Donn meaning brown adn cath, a battle.&amp;nbsp; Brown warrior? MacConachie in Gaelic is that MacDhonnchaidh, or son of Duncan.&amp;nbsp; The Clan Donnachie are the Robertsons of Athole, so named from Duncan de Atholia.&amp;nbsp; Robert.&amp;nbsp; In Gaelic, Raibeart, Rob, from anglo-Saxon Robert or bright fame, and so, Robeetsons, Clan Donnachaidh. &lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp;Norse invader-settlers, the Scariff's-Scharfe's; and &lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp;Normans, became landed gentry (invaders, after William the Conqueror took England 1066?), the Norman Briens, William de Brien (Brian, Brienne), Knight,[see 1390-1395&amp;nbsp;petition to the king re inheritance rights,&amp;nbsp;lands of Guy de Briene in England and Wales; and Gerard son of Brien, 1161-1182 at St. Thomas Priory, Stafford; Staffordsire; and Stoke-on-Trent, England.&amp;nbsp; See UK National Archives (a cousin, Dorothy,&amp;nbsp;is researching and may do a book, so all&amp;nbsp;this is just a whetter]; Briens subsequently at historic house (still a house) Glengeen Lodge, 61 Killyfuddy Road, Trillick, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, William Brien 1846-1916, my grandfather&amp;nbsp;(Kilskeery Parish Cemetery, Kilskeery).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;McConaghy's: Strabane, Derry; St. Johnstone, Donegal&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Hilliards and Briens:&amp;nbsp; Trillick - Gaelic Fri Leac, for three stones&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scariffs - Scharfe's - Kilkenny 1848 emigration of John and Ann; memorial stone with&amp;nbsp;geneology&amp;nbsp;family starting with&amp;nbsp;"Red Scariff" 1525 earliest found, St. Lazerian's, Carlow&amp;nbsp; See Scariff Island,Clare, see &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~eastclareheritage/tuamscarr.html"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~eastclareheritage/tuamscarr.html&lt;/a&gt;, Town of Scariff. Norse with roots "cormorant" rocky place, iron-working, or Gaelic originally, An Scairbh, same kinds of meanings, who knows. Ancient area either way. See &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scariff"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scariff&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Status of other MacConachies (as the name was often spelled then for our family)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;Some&amp;nbsp;were in the 1688 Siege of Londonderry, Siege of Derry, with 10000 probably Plantation&amp;nbsp;"settlers" and Protestant soldiers defending against Jacobite&amp;nbsp;Catholics besieging, while Protestant William of Orange landed in&amp;nbsp;England to challenge King James II, &amp;nbsp;behind Derry's walls. Jacobites: supporters of King James II; Irish Catholics and French supporters, see &lt;a href="http://www.orange-pages.tk/The%20Siege%20Of%20Derry.htm"&gt;http://www.orange-pages.tk/The%20Siege%20Of%20Derry.htm&lt;/a&gt;; that McConaghy &amp;nbsp;involvement noted by our family research Elder, Violet, letter February 9, 1977.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The MacConachies had been "planted" there as part of King James' Protestant "Plantation" policy, we think, but need documentation.&amp;nbsp; At any rate, they were in the Siege.&amp;nbsp; Violet, where did you find that? Early MacConachies also spelled the name McConnaghy).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In a sense, where Irish had moved between Ireland and Scotland for centuries (Irish were original Scotties), is their return, even as part of the Plantation, a coming home in a sense? Makes it all far more complex. Interlopers, forcing colonization, or return. Need to check &lt;em&gt;Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster 1641-1691, &lt;/em&gt;for our names (apparently not a book for substance other than that?), see &lt;a href="http://www.genealogical.com/products/Defenders%20of%20the%20Plantation%20of%20Ulster%201641%201691/9967.html"&gt;http://www.genealogical.com/products/Defenders%20of%20the%20Plantation%20of%20Ulster%201641%201691/9967.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Further summary of the Siege of Derry: see &lt;a href="http://www.cruithni.org.uk/feature/siege.html"&gt;http://www.cruithni.org.uk/feature/siege.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Study of the Gaelic-speaking settlers in Ulster, purporting to show a linguistic connection between the planter-settlers and the Irish Catholics, see (start here at least) &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Ulster,_Protestants_and_the_Irish_language"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Ulster,_Protestants_and_the_Irish_language&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of the family moved to the Convoy - Raphoe Valley. By 1822, a census by a Rev. Wray of his flock, now (I believe) near St. Johnston, Donegal. That is near Strabane, on the Tyrone side.&amp;nbsp;And now, Old Matilda and her son James were (1977) still in Donegal, Ronald is a retired army major living in Yorkshire, England; Chistopher with two sons lives in South&amp;nbsp;Africa, and his brother John and their mother in the then&amp;nbsp;Rhodesia, Paddy is in Belgium, Michael is an army&amp;nbsp;major in England, and others are in Canada.&amp;nbsp; More in Australia, earlier moves there.&amp;nbsp; Typical family tree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;III.&amp;nbsp; History of Londonderry&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;A.&amp;nbsp; Family interest&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any family will straddle several areas later divided, that once were "one."&amp;nbsp; And so with the McConaghy-McConaghey group, over three counties and a long border: Donegal, Londonderry or Derry,&amp;nbsp;and Tyrone.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The border separates the Republic of Ireland, Donegal; from Northern Ireland, Derry now included&amp;nbsp;and Tyrone..&amp;nbsp; Along that border are Londonderry (Londonderry to the British stock, Derry to the Irish), St. Johnstown (Donegal), Strabane (Tyrone), all towns straddling in culture and The Troubles. Find a timeline of the conflicts at Derry-Londonderry 1680-on, at &lt;a href="http://timelines.ws/countries/IRELANDN.HTML"&gt;http://timelines.ws/countries/IRELANDN.HTML&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;B.&amp;nbsp; Derry's Long Story&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The name Derry stems from Daire, a Celtic word for oak grove.  See its older history, long predating Christian influence,&amp;nbsp;at &lt;a href="http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukider01.htm"&gt;http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukider01.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For a good start on the Celts, see &lt;a href="http://tdbcelts.org/node/599"&gt;http://tdbcelts.org/node/599&lt;/a&gt;, and the book, The Celts by T.G.E. Powell, see &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Celts-Ancient-Peoples-Places/dp/0500272751"&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Celts-Ancient-Peoples-Places/dp/0500272751&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Notes of a family researcher are at FN 1.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;A place so rooted does not take easily to forced change. Sacred  things happened in oak groves: Rituals, trees, significance that resisted  usurpation by later&amp;nbsp;institutional-oriented Christians, the Augustinians.&amp;nbsp; Earlier, more meditative Christians, perhaps even Columcille (521-597 AD) &amp;nbsp;or Columba, and&amp;nbsp;the contemplative  groups predating Patrick, fit in more easily and established a monastery there.&amp;nbsp; However, with the Augustinians and especially after until 1100 or so, with the Gregorian  reforms reaching Ireland, there was new regimentation and an aggressive taking over of the old sites. Regimentation and rules, the big monastic orders following Rome. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;And then, the British colonists "planted" in Northern Ireland, the Plantation, necame ensconced for defense behind walls at the city.&amp;nbsp; The Scots and British built defenses around their claim, their Protestant ways and loyalties to England and Scotland an affront to the Irish Catholics whose Ulster lands had been left leaderless after the notorious Flight of the Earls, see &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/timeline/civilwars_timeline_noflash.shtml"&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/timeline/civilwars_timeline_noflash.shtml&lt;/a&gt;, and English takeover.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Derry.&amp;nbsp; Derry, or Londonderry as it was known after the Plantation British and Scots took over, became a focal point of troubles. The era more formally known as The Troubles may be difficult for outsiders to grasp, so see &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_01.shtml"&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_01.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;C.&amp;nbsp; Music and hearts and minds&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Celtic roots are also poetic,&amp;nbsp;musical.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://tdbcelts.org/node/1121"&gt;http://tdbcelts.org/node/1121&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; See the tradition continue, or if that cannot be really demonstrated with all the intermarriages and invasions, at least appreciate what has emerged:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Londonderry Air, or Danny Boy, is familiar, see and hear at &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jgma--0WYU"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jgma--0WYU&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;nbsp;but less well known is "The Town I Love So Well." This time, skip pictures of more old medieval walls, old places.&amp;nbsp; This is one town to be heard at its heart, hear Phil Coulter who composed and sings about Derry's modern state, and narrates with a video&amp;nbsp;at &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqOC5iJ5o8"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqOC5iJ5o8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Then visualize again&amp;nbsp;its long history: at &lt;a href="http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukider01.htm"&gt;http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukider01.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its history is beyond us.&amp;nbsp; Londonderry Air is part of us all.&amp;nbsp; Hear at &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jgma--0WYU.  The"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jgma--0WYU.&amp;nbsp; The&lt;/a&gt; walls are there, stop, park, walk.&amp;nbsp; But don't forget to listen. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;D.&amp;nbsp; A point to a visit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any destination and interest beats mere touristing. Pick one and follow it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The border areas of Ireland may well just be a tourist destination for some, but others of us have people from most all of its evolution.&amp;nbsp;The divisions between unionists, seeking to perpetuate union with the United Kingdom, and nationalists, seeking the independent Republic of Ireland even to include the six counties of the north seeking union, is embodied at Derry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;....................................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1. A cousin, Dorothy, is preparing a full geneology, so I will only put here what seems most interesting. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In particular, history question.&amp;nbsp; With the Flight of the Earls, where the Ulster holders of escheated land, left for Europe; and left Ulster untended, leaderless, its lands up for grabs -- which the English promptly filled -- how much of the older holdings remained?&amp;nbsp; Any?&amp;nbsp; Did the Earls control it all, or were others also landowners, indigenous protestants as well as indigenous catholics. Many of the names Mc and Mac and O' have Gaelic forms, suggesting the earlier connection. Is that so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, is our McConaghy derived from the Robertsons or the Campbells?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pro Robertson:&amp;nbsp; Too much for here, will put it at Scotland under Clan Donnachaidh, Children of Duncan. McDonnachaidh, MacConaghie&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1.&amp;nbsp; Notes, Edna J. McConaghy, daughter of James Torrens McConaghy, 1899-1983, line of common great-grandfather Robert McClure McConaghy 1841-1897:&amp;nbsp; My notes are in brackets, hers from the typed account, are in parens. Original typist of this account:&amp;nbsp; unknown.&amp;nbsp; Some paragraphing added. Now, Edna:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Tell Jim that the McConaghys came from Straban in Tyrone County, Northern Ireland.&amp;nbsp; His great-grandfather and great-great grandfather were Presbyterian ministers there.&amp;nbsp; Bill McConaghy [my uncle, brother of my mother Marjorie McConaghy] went there when he was in Ireland and the present (or the then present) minister took him all around and showed him the countryside.&amp;nbsp; He went through the Hall of Records in Belfast , and said he noticed the name McConaghy mentioned as far back as 1617.&amp;nbsp; As for papa's father (papa=James Torrens, papa's father = Robert McClure McConaghy), he was the elder of two sons and his father insisted he was to be a minister and as a matter of fact I understand he was graduated frojm the University of Edinburgh as one.&amp;nbsp; However, he never wanted to be a minister and would never take a church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As he inherited from his mother's side (whose people were in the linen business) [mother=Sidney Torrens] enough money to lie on, he actually never worked at all.&amp;nbsp; After he died (in New York by the way about 1897) it was found that he had used up all his money and Grandmother McConaghy (Sidney Torrens)&amp;nbsp;was left with nothing. She had always lived with her brother and sister, (Will and Margaret Torrens) who really brought up the six boys in Ballyfatten, the Torrens home.&amp;nbsp; Unle Joe and papa, together with their Uncle Will Torrens, came over here in 1888, and landed in New York during the blizzard of 1888.&amp;nbsp; They had a hard time getting to the boardign house where their father was staying.&amp;nbsp; Uncle Robert and Uncle Harry came over shortly after, and then in 1902 when grandmoter's sister died, Uncle Will went back and brought her over with Uncle Sidney and Uncle Allen (Sidney is the female grandmother b.1850, and also&amp;nbsp;the son Sidney b. 1874, the brother of my grandfather Robert McClure McConaghy b.1876, for you scorekeepers). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As I recall the tales, Grandfather McConaghy's father insisted he study for the ministry because he was the eldest son.&amp;nbsp; His younger brogher studied medicine and had a practice in London.&amp;nbsp; Grandfather gadded about the globe on money inherited from relatives. (The stories were that he would have inherited additional monies&amp;nbsp;from members of his family if he had not been so contentious and constantly picked arguments with his relatives.)&amp;nbsp; By the time he died in New York he had exhausted the money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In the meantime grandmother McConaghy (Sidney) and the boys lived with her family in Ballyfatton.&amp;nbsp; After Grandmoter's siter Margared (Maggie) died, her brogher William Torrens (Uncle Will) decided to bring grandmother and the younger broghers to this ountry.&amp;nbsp; They had enough money to buy the house on Decatur Avenue in the Bronx, New York, and the boys went to work to provide the money to live.&amp;nbsp; While Sidney was not quite normal because he had a brain concussion and high fever as a young boy, papa got him a job in a wallpaper house as a handymman so he could be of some help.&amp;nbsp; Robert (my grandfather) had his own business as a plumber along with papa's business as a carpenter, and Allen worked in a plumbing supply house.&amp;nbsp; Joseph did something or other in a rich man's club where liquor was always available.&amp;nbsp; He drank too much so I guess that was why he had a stroke and fell dead on the street near Fordham University.&amp;nbsp; Uncle Will and papa bought the plot in Mr. Olivet Cemetery in Brooklyn where grandfather was buried, and later on of course grandmother, Uncle Will, Sidney and Allen,a nd of course, mama, papa and sister Elin. (Robert McClure McConaghy and Louise, my grandparents, are buried with other relatives of Louise and some of their children at Woodlawn Cemetery: *&lt;br /&gt;.......................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* McConaghy at Woodlawn Cemetery,&amp;nbsp;the Bronx NY:&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;SW Plot 13158, sec 206, Astor Plot, sec. 206, deed 18502: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;James Hilliard age 16 d. 1913, flu, young brother of Margaret Hilliard, my great-grandmother;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robert W. McConaghy age 7 d. 1913 flu, son of Louise and Robert, my grandparents, and would have been an uncle to me; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Frances Hilliard age 54 d. 1924, sister of Margaret? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robert McConaghy age 49, grandfather, 1926 heart? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Margaret Hilliard, my great-grandmother, age 76, d. 1938; and &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Louise McConaghy, my grandmother,&amp;nbsp;age 87, d 1963.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.......................................&lt;br /&gt;"Grandmother Sydney McConaghy only lived at 2662 Decatur Avenue in the Bronx, until she went to live with Harry and Dora in Rahway, N.J.&amp;nbsp; I have no ide of the birth dates of the uncles.&amp;nbsp; I have listed them in order of their age.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"All the Joseph McConaghy family are buried in Catholic cemeteries (why?).&amp;nbsp; Grandfather Roert lived in a boarding house on East 33rd Street in New York, and I think it is town down for an apartment house."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-8056348554418278594?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/8056348554418278594/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=8056348554418278594' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/8056348554418278594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/8056348554418278594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/londonderry-derry.html' title='Londonderry. Derry. Siege of Londonderry. McConaghey, McConnaghy, MacConnachie. Ulster Records'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2320712439372854883</id><published>2011-10-13T12:00:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-14T18:32:55.977-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ancient tribes in Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Staigue Stone Fort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kerry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Caherdaniel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Black Irish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ring of Kerry'/><title type='text'>Kerry.  Ring of Kerry. Staigue Fort, Caherdaniel. Stone Fort</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;RING OF KERRY, STONE FORT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Staigue Fort&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;CAHERDANIEL&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Caher - round stone fort.  Near Caherdaniel: Gaelic Cathair Donall -- Daniel - from the name Donall or Domnhall -- Donall's Stone Fort?  Naming sites vary. There is a second stone fort there. See &lt;a href="http://www.theringofkerry.com/index.php?Itemid=22"&gt;http://www.theringofkerry.com/index.php?Itemid=22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This ring fort is near Castlecove and the town of Caherdaniel, see  &lt;a href="http://www.sneem.net/staiguefort"&gt;http://www.sneem.net/staiguefort&lt;/a&gt;/&amp;nbsp;  No mortar was used for this large undertaking, still standing.  Dating perhaps from the first through the sixth century BC, Celtic period,&amp;nbsp; it was a defense site, an observation post, and perhaps other uses -- copper is in the area.  See &lt;a href="http://irishantiquities.bravehost.com/kerry/caherdaniel/caherdaniel.html"&gt;http://irishantiquities.bravehost.com/kerry/caherdaniel/caherdaniel.html&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V8y1K5J_G6Y/Tpi1BHMqUCI/AAAAAAAAMt4/ze_v4tXOVEc/s1600/irestonefort.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="243" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V8y1K5J_G6Y/Tpi1BHMqUCI/AAAAAAAAMt4/ze_v4tXOVEc/s320/irestonefort.jpg" width="320" /&gt;Caherdaniel, Staigue Stone Fort, Kerry, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The history of Irish peoples, those arriving by migration, invasion or happenstance, or already here, is a complex one:&amp;nbsp; dark complexions are not unusual and have a variety of explanations, see the Black Irish at &lt;a href="http://www.ireland-information.com/articles/blackirish.htm"&gt;http://www.ireland-information.com/articles/blackirish.htm.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Black Irish may have been merely a differentiation from indigenous of "Gaelic" Irish.&amp;nbsp; Or:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;coloring of European mainland Celts&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Vikings, where the word for "dark" (dubh) was often used in conjunction with "gall" or foreign, see site discussion of dark also used as to intentions (thus blond Norse as dark)?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Descendants of Spanish traders, populations passing through Spain, such as ancient Milesians, even with origins in Middle East.&amp;nbsp; Legends blend.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;More.&amp;nbsp; See site.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2320712439372854883?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2320712439372854883/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2320712439372854883' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2320712439372854883'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2320712439372854883'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/kerry-ring-of-kerry-staigue-fort.html' title='Kerry.  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Stone Fort'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V8y1K5J_G6Y/Tpi1BHMqUCI/AAAAAAAAMt4/ze_v4tXOVEc/s72-c/irestonefort.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-1153939048932235799</id><published>2011-10-13T11:28:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-21T16:51:32.130-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Next Parish America'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Muiris O&apos;Suilleabhein'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tomas o Criomhthain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blasket Islands'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Peig Sayers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dingle Peninsula'/><title type='text'>Kerry.  Dingle Peninsula.  Blasket Islands</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;SOUTHWEST IRELAND'S PENINSULAS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1. DINGLE (here), County Kerry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. INVERAGH - RING OF KERRY, County Kerry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3. BEARA, County Kerry and County Cork&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;The town of Dingle voted in 2006 to reject adoption of an Irish-language version of its name, An Daingean.&amp;nbsp; Instead, residents chose a bilingual name, Dingle Daingean Ui Chuis. The town is in a "Gaeltacht" area, where Irish, the old Gaelic is frequently spoken.&amp;nbsp; These areas receive special grants and government allowanes for residences, educational facilities, clubs and fairs to promote the speaking of Irish.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60716FB3D5B0C728EDDA90994DE404482&amp;amp;scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Voters%20in%20an%20Irish%20Town%20Reject%20Edict%20on%20Language%20of%20its%20Name&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60716FB3D5B0C728EDDA90994DE404482&amp;amp;scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Voters%20in%20an%20Irish%20Town%20Reject%20Edict%20on%20Language%20of%20its%20Name&amp;amp;st=cse&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; In 2004, some 2300 communities were required to adopt the Irish names.&amp;nbsp; Back in 1824, the English used on its maps Anglicized versions that stuck. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;The film, "Ryan's Daughter", took place here, 1970.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs6oiIR0lmA"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs6oiIR0lmA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Blasket as a place name does not sound Gaelic, and some speculate it comes from the Norse for "a dangerous place."&amp;nbsp; Hardship, sacrifice, isolation, rough conditions for farming potatoes, oats, and having perhaps a cow and donkey &amp;nbsp;-- all a part of life there, and the population was further diminished with the famine, see &lt;a href="http://www.blasketisland.com/briefhistory.html"&gt;http://www.blasketisland.com/briefhistory.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Some 150 people lived there in 1840, now it is abandoned except for donkeys that still live there.&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/ireemerald.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="404" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/ireemerald.jpg" style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" width="640" /&gt;Blasket Islands, Dingle Peninsula, Kerry, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Great Blasket.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://irish2009.mka.org/?m=200906"&gt;http://irish2009.mka.org/?m=200906&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; For a narrative of the loss of an island culture, some sites recommend this book, :The Blasket Islands: Next Parish, America", by Joan and Ray&amp;nbsp;Stagles, &lt;a href="http://www.irishbook.com/history/the-blasket-islands-next-parish-america.html"&gt;http://www.irishbook.com/history/the-blasket-islands-next-parish-america.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Is this similar to &lt;em&gt;The Aran Islands&lt;/em&gt;, by J. M. Synge? See that online at &lt;a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4381"&gt;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4381&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gaelic literature flowed&amp;nbsp;from the Blaskets, 1920's:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;storyteller Peig Sayers, see &lt;a href="http://www.rte.ie/laweb/ll/ll_t14_main.html"&gt;http://www.rte.ie/laweb/ll/ll_t14_main.html&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;Muiris O’Suilleabhain (Book: "Twenty Years A-Growing", see &lt;a href="http://www.irishgraves.com/_private/o/new_page_320.htm"&gt;http://www.irishgraves.com/_private/o/new_page_320.htm&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Tomas o’Criomhthain, see &lt;a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-s-criomhthain"&gt;http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-s-criomhthain&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-1153939048932235799?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/1153939048932235799/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=1153939048932235799' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1153939048932235799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1153939048932235799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/kerry-dingle-peninsula-blasket-islands.html' title='Kerry.  Dingle Peninsula.  Blasket Islands'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-3909081551548932120</id><published>2011-10-12T17:33:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-14T18:39:21.207-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ogham script'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Irish place names'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaelic place name components'/><title type='text'>Tyrone, Kilskerry. Irish Place Names. Gaelic Components. Ogham Script</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Irish Place Names&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gaelic Place Name Components &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tyrone and Kilskerry &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Great-grandfather William Brien of Glengeen Lodge, Trillick, is buried at Kilskerry.&amp;nbsp; What do these words mean, the components of Irish place names.&amp;nbsp; Fast forward to "kiil" or "killy" as church.&amp;nbsp; Go further.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Irish place names: Go to &lt;a href="http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.html"&gt;http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.html&lt;/a&gt; and find that although there have been centuries of Vikings, Anglicizing, changes.&amp;nbsp;A place name may be completely Norse, for example, like Dublin.&amp;nbsp; Also see a larger list at &lt;a href="http://www.fionasplace.net/irishplacenames.html"&gt;http://www.fionasplace.net/irishplacenames.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; We have listed the ones we found most useful from both sites below.&amp;nbsp; The best&amp;nbsp;for a download, with full sample place names provided, is the fionasplace site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. &amp;nbsp;Merely taking an English spelling and going to a dictionary may not lead to the correct Irish meaning. Irish place names are usually descriptive, with multiple components. If there are two lakes, for example, says the site, the larger lake area may have&amp;nbsp;"-more" appended. The smaller, "-beg".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Gaelic words can sound alike, however, so find an expert in Irish dictionaries. While you are there, look up the old Ogham Script, see &lt;a href="http://www.ancientscripts.com/ogham.html"&gt;http://www.ancientscripts.com/ogham.html&lt;/a&gt;, patterned slashes or lines&amp;nbsp;read bottom to top on stones, right to left on manuscripts. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img class="resultThumbnail" src="http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1308573506855&amp;amp;id=d86db63d1353027e710b08384406c431" /&gt;Fair use thumbnail from &lt;a href="http://www.islandguide.com.uk/"&gt;http://www.islandguide.com.uk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Some of the frequent Gaelic&amp;nbsp;components&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ard  - high. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ath - ford, in a stream or river&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bally, or Ballyna or Bally means Place of.  This is not the same as "town of" as the towns came later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beg -  small.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carrick - rock.  Carrickfergus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clon, Cloon, or Con-  a dry place.  Clonmel, Clonmacnois, Clonfert&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Down-dun-don -  fortified place. Downpatrick. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Drum -  ridge&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Kil" or&amp;nbsp; "Killi" - church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Knock - hill. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-3909081551548932120?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/3909081551548932120/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=3909081551548932120' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3909081551548932120'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3909081551548932120'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/tyrone-kilskerry-and-place-names-gaelic.html' title='Tyrone, Kilskerry. 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Ogham Script'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-4542252287770972624</id><published>2011-09-20T13:30:00.257-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-20T12:33:32.782-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Greenhills'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Raphoe - Convoy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Raphoe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Donegal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Matthew McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Strabane'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family roots'/><title type='text'>Donegal. Heritage. Place Names. Meanings. Matthew McConaghy 1780 on. Are They Still There.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Places: Descendants of Matthew McConaghy 1780 ff&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Donegal Place Names&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp; Part I of family heritage Sites.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;How can they enrich anyone's history.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;A Bucket List for Later Visits *&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Donegal was never quite colonized under the Plantation era: The country underwent invasions by migratory early peoples,&amp;nbsp; Find a useful chronology of Norse, Normans, English,&amp;nbsp;at &lt;a href="http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/GaelsHighKings.htm"&gt;http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/GaelsHighKings.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For overall history, see David Hughes' &lt;em&gt;British Chronicles&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Scroll down the contents here to get to Ireland, at &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/The_British_Chronicles.html?id=ZABSepHO1FMC"&gt;http://books.google.com/books/about/The_British_Chronicles.html?id=ZABSepHO1FMC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Milestones of history.  Scots "Risings" occurred in 1688, 1715 and 1745 spurred much immigration to Ireland from Scotland unrelated to the Plantation.  These took place in Scotland &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; this McConaghy branch began living in the North of Ireland. Our people apparently&amp;nbsp;did not come to Ireland because of the "Risings". &amp;nbsp; It was earlier, at the Plantation? From there on, it remained business as usual to move back and forth, family ties, Scots universities.&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I.&amp;nbsp; A Sense of Place.&amp;nbsp; Donegal; for one branch - McConaghy&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;[Tyrone, for the Norman-British Hilliard-Brien]&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Events in Donegal, Londonderry, the rest of Ulster, have deep roots, even in prehistory with the first Ui Neill, and ultimately the flight of Hugh O'Neill as part of the 1607 Flight of the Earls.&amp;nbsp; His lands were redistributed to the English and other settlers. We are trying to find if our people were part of the Plantation, or there on their own.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;At least the history files site affirms that the Scotti or Scoti were indeed Irish, although arrived early from elsewhere (Milesian? Even Scythian??). As raiders pushed into Ulster, the northeast, the Scoti themselves pushed into and raided and settled in&amp;nbsp;Scotland.&amp;nbsp; Surnames are on both sides of the Irish Sea. In Scotland we find our Maconochie&amp;nbsp;clan, Meadowbank, County Edinburgy, originally Campbell of Inverawe, County Argyll, according toys John Burke's &lt;em&gt;Encyclopedia of Heraldry or General Army of England, Scotland and Ireland&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;nbsp;Some in the family find Maconochie through Robertson.&amp;nbsp; Why care?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;The interest is a handle on history.&amp;nbsp;Any topic that presents is a good organizing&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;self-teaching tool.&amp;nbsp;For the Maconochie of Argyll, descendants of Duncan, see&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/surname-roots-exodus-campbell-mcconaghy.html"&gt;http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/surname-roots-exodus-campbell-mcconaghy.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; "Plantation" Donegal. &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;There were English in Donegal, but the area never quite became a Plantation.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;See &lt;a href="http://www.ulsterancestry.com/newsletter-content.php?id=26"&gt;http://www.ulsterancestry.com/newsletter-content.php?id=26&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Their role was to give some protection to other settlers, but a colony never materialized:&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"*** &amp;nbsp;Due in part to its wildness and inaccessibility  colonists proved reluctant to attempt settlement. In addition, Sir Arthur  Chichester described its native population as a "people inclined to blood and  trouble". In 1619, Pynnar recorded of estate after estate that nothing was built  and that there were no British tenants. [According to] one historian ... : "it  was the pluck, skill and tact of hard-bitten, experienced soldiers such as Sir  Henry Folliott and Sir Basil Brooke, that held Donegal quiet and so gave  protection to the infant colony".&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Tracking family&amp;nbsp;in Donegal, then is uncertain, as to loyalties of any generation at any time.&amp;nbsp; There is a difference between claiming Scots and English heritage, since the original "Scots" were Irish back in the day; and being part of&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;a Plantation-extension.&amp;nbsp; We are sorting it out. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; Geneology and ladies' names.&amp;nbsp; Matriarchs disparu.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Patriarchy carries with it discriminations against others that, if pressed against&amp;nbsp;men, would not be tolerated, and never had to.  Men's names carry on with&amp;nbsp;the property inheritance ramifications as that evolved;&amp;nbsp;women disappear with their birthnames. And she did all that work bringing into the world five surviving sons for husband Matthew to take credit for. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;For example, one Matilda Gray, Matriarch: &amp;nbsp;wife of Matthew McConaghy who was born about 1780 and owned property known as Greenhills in Raphoe - Convoy, Donegal. See &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/donegal-raphoe-bucket-list-greenhills.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/donegal-raphoe-bucket-list-greenhills.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Matilda. No birthdate, no death date. She is forgotten. Was it her property, that Greenhills, that passed to Matthew with the marriage? No idea.  Matthew lives on because his surname survives the system, and he had five sons carrying it on:  David, Robert, Joseph (from whom we spring), John, Alexander,  his name attaches easily.&amp;nbsp; The name "Matilda" does recur, however, see St. Johnstone.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Matthew is supposed to be buried at Raphoe Churchyard, but no stone is now to be found, although it is noted in son David's will. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;..............................................................&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;II.&amp;nbsp; Place Names. What can we learn from the Places?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Place names are listed with forbears in much family tree research.&amp;nbsp; The Gaelic is interesting because "Gael" or "Gal"&amp;nbsp;means "foreigner" or stranager.&amp;nbsp; Donegal would be fort of the foreigners.&amp;nbsp; The word comes from pre-Gaelic people who referred to the later Celts as foreigners or "Gaels".&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.html"&gt;http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.html&lt;/a&gt;. This ties the Gaels in with the Gauls, and is that the same time period as Caesar pushing the Gauls out of Rome's way?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;What were these places? With schools not teaching history and geography, start with your own family with your own children.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;County Donegal, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;now the Republic of Ireland, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;parts earlier included in Ulster&amp;nbsp; [border area at Strabane and Tyrone find&amp;nbsp;at section III]:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;In 1841, Donegal was part of Ulster.  Our family stems from Raphoe, See the history of Ireland 1598-1620, the establishment of the Plantation, English, Scots and others sent to populate areas of Ireland's north, after the Flight of the Earls left areas open to new control, at &lt;a href="http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/history/15981629.html"&gt;http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/history/15981629.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Raphoe History: See also the &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/R/Raphoe-Raphoe-Donegal.php"&gt;Library Ireland, Donegal site&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Greenhills, Raphoe&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Matthew McConaghy 1780 or 1785. We see no Celtic or Gaelic in that very English name.&amp;nbsp; So, green hills. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Settlement history&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Was this part of the earlier effort at Plantation, or other settlement? Apparently so. Part of Donegal also was included in Ulster, see Strabane, the Tyrone town that straddles the border, so English or Scots on both sides of the existing county line would be expected.&amp;nbsp; For the Ulster Plantation itself, see &lt;a href="http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/history/15981629.html"&gt;http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/history/15981629.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;fair use, and note the cultural impact:&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"*** In 1609 the English mapped out 4,000,000 acres of land and started gaving it out in 1610. Counties Down, Monaghan and Antrim were planted privately. Counties Derry and Armagh were planted with English. Counties Tyrone and Donegal were planted with Scots. Counties Fermanagh and Cavan were planted with both Scots and English. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The vast majority of the settlers were Scottish, as it turned out, and they brought with them a new form of Christianity, Presbyterianism, which was different from both Roman Catholicism and the Church of England, although it is classified as Protestant. They also brought new farming methods and a Puritan lifestyle. This made north-east Ireland culturally very different from the rest of the island.***"  &lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; Land designations&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;But see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=RRRBxFTucEsC&amp;amp;pg=PA112&amp;amp;lpg=PA112&amp;amp;dq=Greenhills+Raphoe&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=yY09PFp5HD&amp;amp;sig=kRj9jX23Y4LRj2w9DiH4EuCcEGo&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=z2d6TqeYEcjr0gHLx7CoAg&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=3&amp;amp;ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=Greenhills%20Raphoe&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;Parliamentary Gazetteer of Ireland Vol 3: p. 112.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;Raphoe was the name of a County, a Diocesan seat (we understand as to a Presbetery, but was it Episcopal? See also &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/R/Raphoe-Raphoe-Donegal.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/R/Raphoe-Raphoe-Donegal.php,&lt;/a&gt;, That the area used to be called "Rathboth" .&amp;nbsp; Raphoe is a barony, an old Gaelic designation, property area designation, see&lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/baronies.htm"&gt; Rootsweb,&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.ballybegvillage.com/land_division.html"&gt;http://www.ballybegvillage.com/land_division.html&lt;/a&gt;; and a parish, and a post and market town. See again FN 2 here.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Greenhills:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Greenhills - that turns out to be a &lt;i&gt;house. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;It is "the last the [sic] residence of W. Fenwick, Esq." and one of three "seats" of a diocese -- of the Presbetery, we understand. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Ecclesiastsical underpinnings&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Raphoe as an ecclesiastical site was founded in the 9th Century by a St. Eunan, a/k/a Adamnan, see &lt;a href="http://www.bartleby.com/210/9/077.html"&gt;http://www.bartleby.com/210/9/077.html&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01135c.htm"&gt;http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01135c.htm&lt;/a&gt;; long before the Roman branch of Christianity asserted its supremacy against the Irish Christians in the 11th-12th centuries. He also was a biographer of St. Columba, Columcille. How to find, out of dogma evolved since then, a real Eunan, or is there no difference.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The evolution of Christianity's focus from early contemplative Irish, free-wheeling, individualized; to the Roman regimentation is seen in architecture as well as dogma. Rome focused on "crucifixion" and "cross."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;.Older&amp;nbsp;Ireland had, of course, not. Ireland's Christians focused not on dogma and theology but living out The Life. Enter changes to church architecture with the Roman group:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; *** "rendering it [the church] perfectly cruciform."&amp;nbsp; Cruciform is dogma, the new regime.&amp;nbsp; See&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/R/Raphoe-Raphoe-Donegal.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/R/Raphoe-Raphoe-Donegal.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Raphoe:&amp;nbsp; After diminution of the Irish Christian contemplative tradition, there was a Roman-type institutional bishop here in 1203.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;St. Columba's work earlier was not necessarily to be seen as&amp;nbsp;a monastery, as we think of those institutions; because he was not an institutional Christian.&amp;nbsp; But apparently he founded some ecclesiastical setting.&amp;nbsp; Rome shoved all earlier forms of Christian followers away, with its high centralization and conformity.&amp;nbsp;In came Dominicans and Cistercians and centralized bishoprics took over, accountable to Rome, not the indigenous, local population structures. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; McConaghys at Greenhills, Raphoe.&amp;nbsp; Digging deeper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matthew's son, Robert, a farmer of Carrickbrack (carrick means rock in Gaelic, see &lt;a href="http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.com"&gt;http://www.irelandstory.com/geography/placenames.com&lt;/a&gt;) , Rooskey Upper. He married a Margaret Allen of &lt;em&gt;Greenhills.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;What?&amp;nbsp; Greenhills was supposed to have been Matthew's place, where, with one Matilda Gray, he had the five sons including Robert. Robert at the time was to have held 13 acres at Raphoe, and 30 acres at Kiltole. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Our family also ties in to property known as Larkfield, where Rev. John, 1812-1881, another son of Matthew, died 1881 (records) and is buried 1882 (says the stone); Larkfield, Urney, Tyrone; and here we find another Margaret, see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Ha0EAAAAIAAJ&amp;amp;pg=PA315&amp;amp;lpg=PA315&amp;amp;dq=margaret+allen+greenhills+donegal&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=HrSSWu-Euv&amp;amp;sig=SqB2m-ChEBsp4Mvs5-WEjyqwYHo&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=s_yeTrfqHOLz0gG8xdyFCQ&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=5&amp;amp;ved=0CDkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=margaret%20allen%20greenhills%20donegal&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;Google book, landed gentry of Ireland, Greenhills. Donegal.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; These odd sites are here by way of a marker for later. John did not marry a Margaret, he married Elizabeth Cunningham 1813-1898&amp;nbsp;of Ballyfatton Cottage, Strabane, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This was the homestead, as we would call it, of the first McConaghy we can document so far in our line -- Matthew born about 1780.&amp;nbsp; Crests may establish the line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;This McConaghy group that for us started at Raphoe - Convoy is not related, as was previously thought, to the Scots McConachie - Robertson group.&amp;nbsp; The name McConaghy&amp;nbsp;is not that common, but here the crests are different.&amp;nbsp; The Scots McConachie is "hand with crown".&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This Matthew McConaghy a McConachie, us, (Matilda! Wife of Matthew! speak up!) has a crest that is different: &amp;nbsp;comprised of the top half of a Scots male&amp;nbsp;figure, not just hand with crown; and with a plaid over one shoulder, holding sheaf of arrows pointing down.&amp;nbsp; The motto is, "By these we shine."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This Matthew McConaghy group, if the crest reasoning is correct,&amp;nbsp;is kin to the Campbells from Argyll, west coast of Scotland, extending down a southward peninsula and angling toward the north of Ireland.&amp;nbsp; See Burke's heraldry at &lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/surname-roots-exodus-campbell-mcconaghy.html"&gt;http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/surname-roots-exodus-campbell-mcconaghy.html&lt;/a&gt;; and Atholl Highlanders at &lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/11/atholl-highlanders-blair-castle.html"&gt;http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/11/atholl-highlanders-blair-castle.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;B.&amp;nbsp; Roosky Upper, 28 acres, Raphoe&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James, a son of Matthew, owned 28 acres here in 1858. Brother Robert is also listed there&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;C.&amp;nbsp; Tullydonnell Lower, 72 Acres.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David son of Matthew. Tulach means knoll, &lt;a href="http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Misc/Etymology.html"&gt;http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Misc/Etymology.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;There also is Don - Celtic brown, or Dun fort. Donail Daniel. Tullach Donail, Daniel's&amp;nbsp;Hill.&amp;nbsp; Count five such names of Townlands (Townland:&amp;nbsp; see FN 2). One is Tullydonnell Lower in Donegal. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See David McConnaghy, two 'n's for this property and at Ardvarnock Glebe, 40 acres, see 1870 Griffith's Valuation at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D.&amp;nbsp; Ardvarnock Glebe, 40 acres.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David son of Matthew &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Glebe:&amp;nbsp; a church "furlong" (measure of an area) or parson's "close", property of the church for the parson's residence, farm. Ard means a high place, Gaelic.&amp;nbsp; This can be physically or in terms of status, importance.&amp;nbsp; Ards peninsula, County Down, Some "Ard" words, however, are abbreviations of Atherdee, and Dee is the river.&amp;nbsp; See Irelandstory site above.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;E. Kiltole, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David, &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kil means a church, Gaelic.&amp;nbsp; See also Kilkenny, Kildare, this from irelandstory site above.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;F.&amp;nbsp; Carrickbrack&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Robert son of Matthew&lt;br /&gt;Carrickbrack is near Strabane, that straddles the Donegal Tyrone border, see &lt;a href="http://www.i-google-map.com/europe-map/ireland-map/county-donegal-map/carrickbrack-map/"&gt;http://www.i-google-map.com/europe-map/ireland-map/county-donegal-map/carrickbrack-map/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Carrick, rock.&amp;nbsp; Irelandstory.com.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Brack:&amp;nbsp; in breadmaking, a kind that specked with fruit, often soaked overnight, see &lt;a href="http://www.sheridanrogers.com.au/2011/03/15/irish-brack/"&gt;http://www.sheridanrogers.com.au/2011/03/15/irish-brack/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;Carrick brack.&amp;nbsp; Bread hard like a rock? This site defines brack as the Gaelic for salt, the word now used for bread.&amp;nbsp; Makes more sense.&amp;nbsp; Rock salt?&lt;a href="http://www.bigoven.com/recipe/32404/barm-brack-traditional-irish-bread"&gt;http://www.bigoven.com/recipe/32404/barm-brack-traditional-irish-bread&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;F.&amp;nbsp; Margherahee&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My mother was Marjorie McConaghy.&amp;nbsp; What does the name mean? &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Robert son of Matthew owned this property that sounds like it&amp;nbsp;[cannot find this property].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In babynames, Marjorie means Pearl, child of light, jewel, from Gaelic and also French, add Hebrew and Latin for good measure, but how reliable is that.&amp;nbsp; No derivations given? See &lt;a href="http://www.babynology.com/otherorigins-marjorie-f33.html"&gt;http://www.babynology.com/otherorigins-marjorie-f33.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hee is apparently in the Gaelic dictionary from Manx. &lt;a href="http://www.onelook.com/?lang=all&amp;amp;w=hee&amp;amp;loc=nophr"&gt;http://www.onelook.com/?lang=all&amp;amp;w=hee&amp;amp;loc=nophr&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;a href="http://www.visitisleofman.com/culture/"&gt;http://www.visitisleofman.com/culture/&lt;/a&gt;; but seems to be an archaic form of "he".&amp;nbsp; Marghera is part of Venice, including port, refinery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;III.&amp;nbsp; DONEGAL - TYRONE BORDER&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;STRABANE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A.&amp;nbsp; Ballyfatton Cottage, Urney, Tyrone&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Rev. John, a son of Matthew, married in 1841 the daughter of Robert Torrens of Ballyfatton Cottage, Strabane.&amp;nbsp; She was Elizabeth Cunningham, born 1813, died 1898.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bally means "place of" from the Gaelic 'Baile na'. See irelandstory site above.&amp;nbsp; It does not mean town. Few towns existed went the names attached. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fatton.&amp;nbsp; To feed for slaughter, to make fat, see &lt;a href="http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-annandale/the-imperial-dictionary-and-encyclopedia-of-knowledge-unabridged-etymological-a-hci/page-133-the-imperial-dictionary-and-encyclopedia-of-knowledge-unabridged-etymological-a-hci.shtml"&gt;http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-annandale/the-imperial-dictionary-and-encyclopedia-of-knowledge-unabridged-etymological-a-hci/page-133-the-imperial-dictionary-and-encyclopedia-of-knowledge-unabridged-etymological-a-hci.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ok:&amp;nbsp; Place where animals were fattened. Now Fatton is a common surname. Owner of the feedlot?&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Rev. John and Elizabeth Cunningham had seven children:&amp;nbsp; Elizabeth, Sarah, Margaret - married William McCrae, lied at "Grange", Willliam [became surgeon general, India, married Mary Birdwood], Martha who married her cousin, Matthew Allen 1861, John IMS India 184901907, buried at Exmouth, and Robert James MD?&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;This also was the home of James Torrens, Urney, father of wife of Robert McClure McConaghy,&amp;nbsp;Glengeen Lodge, Trillick.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;B.&amp;nbsp; Glengeen Lodge,&amp;nbsp;Trillick, County Tyrone&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This is a manor house, built as a hunting lodge, and home, since the Flight of the Earls, of the family of William Brien, and father at age 38 of Louise Lucinda Brien.&amp;nbsp; Flight of the Earls:&amp;nbsp; Tyrone and Tyrconnell fled; leaving Ulster open and un-owned as far as the English were concerned, and the Plantation resulted.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.theflightoftheearls.net/"&gt;http://www.theflightoftheearls.net/&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;a href="http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/History_Links/UlsterPlantation.html"&gt;http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/History_Links/UlsterPlantation.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Louise Lucinda, Louisa Lucinda, Lucinda Louisa.&amp;nbsp; She was daughter of&amp;nbsp; William Brien of Glengeen Lodge, Trillick, and&amp;nbsp;Margaret Hilliard, a the daughter of a tradesman and his wife in&amp;nbsp;Trillick.&amp;nbsp; Margaret, at age 13, was part of the household staff at Glengeen Lodge where Mr. Brien lived and took her.&amp;nbsp; He acknowledged paternity and apparently supported Margaret and my grandmother, born within the year. Margaret gave birth at 14 to Louise Lucinda, my grandmother. There are repercussions in any family. See Briens there at the 1910 Census, &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Trillick.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Trillick.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This doesn't address the 16 McConaghy families from Antrim, see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=KHeAAAAAIAAJ&amp;amp;pg=PA524&amp;amp;dq=mcconaghy+donegal&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=FgGfTvb8JcLf0gHdnp25CQ&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=mcconaghy%20donegal&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;Google book "The Scotch-Irish" (in various places) &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.......................................................................................... &lt;br /&gt;FN 1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Questions.&amp;nbsp; Why do we focus on the bloodlines of the male.&amp;nbsp; Where is the bloodline of the female, Matilda Gray, wife of Matthew McConaghy?&amp;nbsp; We, for the detective in us, are setting up obscure posts for the lost women in geneologies. &amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A.&amp;nbsp; Children of &lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;Matthew McConaghy born 1780&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;. &amp;nbsp; All surname McConaghy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. David b. 1805, m.&amp;nbsp; Ann who died&amp;nbsp;July 8, 1872&amp;nbsp;(stone); David died Feb 21,1871&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;No descendants&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;TULLYDONNELL LOWER, 72 acres&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;ARDVARNOCK GLEBE, 40 acres&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;2. Robert _____&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;Charles b.1845; m. Elizabeth born 1847, in&amp;nbsp;1872 *&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robert b. 1873; married in 1905 ______;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Charles&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Violet&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;3. Joseph b. 1811; d. Dec 31, 1875&amp;nbsp; St. Johnston; m. Mary McClure, who died May 6, 1874 (stone, St. Johnston, County Derry.&amp;nbsp; Joseph:&amp;nbsp; Glasgow University 1831; Ordained December 12, 1834, St. Johnston&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Matilda E. b. 1843, d. July 26, 1863 (stone, St. Johnston)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;James Foster M.D.&amp;nbsp;b. 1845, d. 1887.&amp;nbsp; University of Glasgow 1887; M.A. 1867; M.D. 1875&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robert MClure, Rev.&amp;nbsp; b.______; m.&amp;nbsp;Sidney Torrens, June 6, 1870 in SION MILLS, TYRONE;&amp;nbsp; Sidney is daughter of James Torrens of Urney, BALLYFATTON COTTAGE.&amp;nbsp; Farm.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Joseph William Alexander b. May 30, 1871, at Ballyfatton Cottage, m._____, d._____&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;James Torrens b. Nov 18, 1872, at Sion Mills, County Tyrone, m.____, d. _____&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Robert McClure b. June 9, 1876, in Derry; m. Louise Lucinda Brien b.______ in Trillick, County Tyrone; &amp;nbsp;Aug.4, 1904 in NY (her father was William Brien of GLENGEEN LODGE, Trillick, Tyrone; her mother was Margaret Hilliard of Trillick). Home of Robert and Louise: New York&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Next generation omitted here because many&amp;nbsp;still living&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. John b. 1812 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;* Elizabeth b. 1847. m. Charles b 1845 , son of Robert&amp;nbsp;[married her cousin Charles, son of Robert]&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;5. Alexander b. 1822 0r 1823?, died March 13, 1889 (stone); married?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Nil.&amp;nbsp; No descendants.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 2&amp;nbsp; Land divisions in Ireland -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;Provinces, Counties, Baronies, Parishes - Dioceses, Townlands, Poor Law Unions&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Provinces.&amp;nbsp; There are four:&amp;nbsp; Ulster (North); Leinster (East); Connaught (West); Munster (South). These are named from the ancient kingdoms Uladh, Laiaghean, Connaught, Mumha.&amp;nbsp; There had been a fifth old kingdom, Meath, but that merged with Leinster. Two other old kingdoms, Aileach and Oriel, were integrated with Ulster in the 17th Century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Counties.&amp;nbsp; King John in 1210 started the county system &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;King John's&amp;nbsp;basic twelve:&amp;nbsp; Dublin; Kildare; Meath; Louth; Carlow; Kilkenny; Wexford; Waterford; Cork; Kerry; Limerick; Tipperary. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Add King's County and Queen's County in the reign of Queen Mary&amp;nbsp;of England;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Add Longford, Clare, Galway, Sligo, May, Roscommon, Leitrim, Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Derry, Condgal, Fermanagh and Cavan&amp;nbsp;in the reign of Elizabeth I.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Antrim and Down have uncertain origins&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Wicklow was carved out of Dublin County in 1605.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Note that some towns have the same name as the county:&amp;nbsp; Dublin, Limerick, Cork. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; Baronies - &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;These stem from ancient Gaelic land holdings.&amp;nbsp; There are now some 325 baronies.&amp;nbsp; In the 19th Century, the English turned these into civil divisions for the purpose of land valuations.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Parishes - &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;These could be ecclesiastical (Dioceses?) or civil or both.&amp;nbsp; In the 19th Century, the civil parish was used for land valuations.&amp;nbsp; The civil parish was generally smaller in size than the ecclesiastical&amp;nbsp; and often had a different name. There are about 2002 civil parishes. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; Townlands -&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Townlands were&amp;nbsp;small rural divisions of the civil parish were called Townlands.&amp;nbsp; An average size may be some 350 acrea.&amp;nbsp; In 1901, there were some 60,462 such townland areas.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;6.&amp;nbsp; Poor Law Unions -&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;In 1838, the Poor Law Relief Act was passesd, dividing the country into Unions or Districts where "local rateable" people were to be responsible financially for the care of paupers there. A Union may be&amp;nbsp;a multiple of Townlands, perhaps with a radius of some 10 miles (estimate). One market town would be designated as the Center, and there the Poor House would be located.&amp;nbsp; These are frequently still seen, but used for different purposes.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Source of all this? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;An obscure family photocopy, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;shaggy, with this at the bottom:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; (1487)W.33798. 5,000. 2-73. F.P.--G21.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;.....................................................&lt;div align="left"&gt;* &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Our lists of land holdings are larger than we anticipated, so this site is now limited to Donegal. Tyrone land holdings or references will be at a Tyrone post. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;Non-McConaghy's, those not of the 1780 Raphoe MatthewMConaghy line here, are in FN 1.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;For any surname researcher: spellings change:  McConaghy, McConnaghy, McConaughy, McConaghey, MacConachie and on. 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Drogheda.  Irish Slavery.  Malcolm the Irish Thrall, St. Patrick, The Caribbean</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;Irish History -- Slaves&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Battle of Drogheda, County Louth&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Irish slaves:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the Caribbean, in Iceland - Malcolm the Irish Thrall,&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;St. Patrick &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt; .&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Early named slaves from Ireland include Patrick - as in Saint Patrick.&amp;nbsp; Irish raiders&amp;nbsp;are credited with snatching him from Wales,&amp;nbsp;the College of Theodosius, Llantwit Major, in&amp;nbsp;the  territory of &lt;a href="http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/CymruGlywyssing.htm" target="_top"&gt;Cernyw&lt;/a&gt;, &amp;nbsp;see &lt;a href="http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/GaelsHighKings.htm"&gt;http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/GaelsHighKings.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And meet Malcolm - as in&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Malcolm the Thrall&lt;/i&gt;, the Irish slave in pre-Christian&amp;nbsp;Iceland's &lt;em&gt;Burnt Njall Saga.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; See &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.northvegr.org/sagas%20annd%20epics/icelandic%20family%20sagas/njals%20saga/018.html"&gt;http://www.northvegr.org/sagas%20annd%20epics/icelandic%20family%20sagas/njals%20saga/018.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enslavement&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;has long been a respected and usual way of asserting supremacy, in a way that helped make ends meet, and disiposed of otherwise rebellious defeated opponents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Slavery in old Great Britain and Europe, Rome, Vikings. Slavers.&amp;nbsp; Read the stories, many online, and read the letters, the primary documents as available.&amp;nbsp; Find Irish slaves in the Caribbean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt; A.&amp;nbsp; Irish Slaves in the Caribbean.&amp;nbsp; Is Forced Indenture the same?&amp;nbsp;  Were there both?&amp;nbsp; Could all the "indentured" work their way to freedom?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Slavery 1600's to Date, Western Culture - Ireland in particular. Irish Slaves in the Caribbean&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; The Battle of Drogheda, near Dublin.&amp;nbsp; Siege of Drogheda.&amp;nbsp; Where did it lead? Cromwell's order.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The year is 1648-9.&amp;nbsp; There had been years of fighting, Irish "Parliamentarians" against the Royalists, and now, Cromwell.&amp;nbsp; Resistance to the English was fierce, resulting in Irish massacres of soldiers, clergy; and the resulting response worse.&amp;nbsp; See&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/military/ireland-1649-drogheda.htm"&gt;http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/military/ireland-1649-drogheda.htm&lt;/a&gt; English response:&amp;nbsp; enslave.&amp;nbsp; Between   1648 and 1655, some 12,000 political prisoners from Ireland (the Irish   were ultimately brutally suppressed at the Battle of&amp;nbsp; Drogheda in 1648-9) were  forced  into "indenture" in Barbados, for example. Forced indentures:&amp;nbsp; what were the terms, when was the release, if ever? See Irish slavery at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638"&gt;http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The traditional stories of Scots slaves  in the Caribbean is  familiar.&amp;nbsp; Less familiar to non-Irish (but a  favored topic for many  Irish, see &lt;a href="http://www.trisranch.com/id82.html"&gt;http://www.trisranch.com/id82.html&lt;/a&gt;) is Irish slavery.&amp;nbsp; It is also documented, is slavery - including the involuntary indenture -   of the Irish. There were extensive abductions - forced transit&amp;nbsp;to the   Caribbean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;As to Scotland, see references at&amp;nbsp;Dunvegan Castle on the Isle of Skye, Scotland, &lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-skye-dunvegan-castle-flora-madonald.html"&gt;http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-skye-dunvegan-castle-flora-madonald.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For Ireland, start with &lt;i&gt;Whence the Black Slaves of Jamaica&lt;/i&gt;, by Joseph Williams, Society of Jesuits, in 1932.&amp;nbsp; Fine detective work:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6773632M/Whence_the_black_Irish_of_Jamaica"&gt;http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6773632M/Whence_the_black_Irish_of_Jamaica&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Irish came to Jamaica one way or another, some voluntary,&amp;nbsp;in the 1600's, see Jamaica Gleaner, at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://jamaica-gleaner.com/pages/history/story0058.htm"&gt;http://jamaica-gleaner.com/pages/history/story0058.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Each century seemed to bring more impetus to subjugate the Irish, the initial time period being the 1100's;&amp;nbsp; and from that original Anglo-Norman invasion, to its repercussions: brutal perpetuation of English control of Ireland. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Why the vehemence, the absolute refusal of the Irish to accept subjucation in their land, fight so strongly against overwhelming odds, as at Drogheda with Cromwell.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Most accounts of the Irish subjugation should go back farther then they do:&amp;nbsp; What if the Pope recognized he had no jurisdiction over Ireland. What if Henry II had not bought off Pope Adrian in order to get the&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Laudabiliter &lt;/i&gt;-&amp;nbsp; he needed written permission to invade, under the pretext of doing it for the church and spread its influence as the sole spokes-institution for Christianity?&amp;nbsp; When Ireland was already Christian - since the earliest Centuries; and the original Anglo-Norman invasion stemmed from affairs of the heart.&amp;nbsp; The pope was never told? Who told what? Documents trustworthy? Pretext?&amp;nbsp; See the papal bull in its entirety at &lt;a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/bullad.asp"&gt;http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/bullad.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Back to Drogheda and its roots:&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the historic roots of a global human issue:&amp;nbsp;unjust assertion of power.&amp;nbsp; Has the Irish sense of injustice and anger at their overlords, got a stronger,&amp;nbsp;real historic root, more than most.&amp;nbsp; Where profit-making religion itself is the pretext for injustice, is anger the greater.&amp;nbsp; Should the Irish ask for reparations from the Vatican? Idea, idea.&amp;nbsp; The ancient Milesians first laid claim to Ireland, see the Bard Amergin at &lt;a href="http://www.amergin.net/songofamergin.html"&gt;http://www.amergin.net/songofamergin.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; And, in time, the Normans and Catholic Gregorian reformers.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"For, although authors generally write that the Emperor Constantine, after his baptism, bestowed the islands of western Europe on Pope Sylvester, that did not give the Pope possession of Ireland, since no emperor that was ever in Rome, nor Constantine, had possession of Ireland. How, then, could there be any force in the right which the emperor might give to the Pope, to what was neither in his own possession nor in that of any emperor that succeeded him since?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;Fair use,&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.exclassics.com/ceitinn/for56.htm"&gt;http://www.exclassics.com/ceitinn/for56.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Devorgilla. The role of the lady in the invasion of Ireland by the Normans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Henry II, &amp;nbsp;those centuries ago, perhaps never mentioned the background of his decision to seek permission to invade Ireland: &amp;nbsp;that the Irish Dermot, to whose aid Henry's man Strongbow ultimately came, with army; had had an affair with Devorgilla, a rival's wife, and that was why he ultimately lost his lands, see &lt;a href="http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/norman.shtm"&gt;http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/norman.shtm&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.ireland-information.com/articles/dermotmacmurrough-strongbow.htm"&gt;http://www.ireland-information.com/articles/dermotmacmurrough-strongbow.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thou hast signified to us, indeed, most beloved son in Christ, that thou dost desire to enter into the island of Ireland, in order to subject the people to the laws and to extirpate the vices that have there taken root, and that thou art willing to pay an annual pension to St. Peter of one penny from every house, and to preserve the rights of the churches in that land inviolate and entire. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We, therefore, seconding with the favour it deserves thy pious and laudable desire, and granting a benignant assent to thy petition, are well pleased that, for the enlargement of the bounds of the church. for the restraint of vice, for the correction of morals and the introduction of virtues, for the advancement of the Christian religion, thou shouldst enter that island, and carry out there the things that look to the honour of God and to its own salvation. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And may the people of that land receive thee with honour, and venerate thee as their master; provided always that the rights of the churches remain inviolate and entire, and saving to St. Peter and the holy Roman Church the annual pension of one penny from each house. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"If, therefore, thou dost see fit to complete what thou hast conceived in thy mind, strive to imbue that people with good morals, and bring it to pass, as well through thyself as through those whom thou dost know from their faith, doctrine, and course of life to be fit for such a work, that the church may there be adorned, the Christian religion planted and made to grow, and the things which pertain to the honour of God and to salvation be so ordered that thou may'st merit to obtain an abundant and lasting reward from God, and on earth a name glorious throughout the ages. "&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Christianize this "island of Saints" that was already Christian,&amp;nbsp;after Patrick and other early Christian monks' works? It was already Christian, see &lt;a href="http://www.exclassics.com/ceitinn/for57.htm"&gt;http://www.exclassics.com/ceitinn/for57.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Just not "Roman" branch.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; What was Irish enslavement like.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Those  who served their  indenture then could establish themselves as planters  and settlers; with  the last shipment of Irish in the 1800's, some  30-80,000 were estimated  to have arrived: many in their best clothes,  and bringing their habits  with them., see the Jamaica Gleaner site.&amp;nbsp;  There were also Irish slave  owners. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what was  white slavery compared to black?  &amp;nbsp;Force may be a matter of semantics;  and reflect an ethnic prejudice.&amp;nbsp;  We speak of involuntary indentured  servitude for whites, but slavery for  blacks?&amp;nbsp; Is that so? See &lt;a href="http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638"&gt;http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; How was it accomplished.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Oliver Cromwell, see&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/oliver-cromwell.htm"&gt;http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/oliver-cromwell.htm&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;was   Lord Protector of England in 1655 -&amp;nbsp;Article "Green Genes"&amp;nbsp;clipped back   in 2000 from a magazine that foolishly does not identify itself on the   pages other than JULY/AUGUST 2000 and pages 54-58 (author Mic Moroney -   check that - we saved&amp;nbsp;that does not give its title.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;While  we find the source, we are interested that it states that Cromwell  demanded this:&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"a recruite of a thousande men, and a supply of younge Irish  girls" and others with&amp;nbsp; no "settled course of industry"&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;to  populate the  new colonies. Then, two weeks later, he&amp;nbsp;asked his son,  then Henry who  was Major-General of British forces in Ireland,&amp;nbsp;for  2000&amp;nbsp;more&amp;nbsp;"young  boys and girls" to take the place of 'maroons and  negresses' on the  slave plantations.&amp;nbsp;Henry, says the article (we are  still looking for the  original letter) wrote back as to&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"the  younge women, although we must  use force in takinge them up, yet it  beinge so much for their own goode  .. you may have such number as you  shall thinke fitt..."&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;I do not see that letter or a response reference at &lt;a href="http://www.olivercromwell.org/Letters_and_speeches/letters/Letter_index.htm"&gt;http://www.olivercromwell.org/Letters_and_speeches/letters/Letter_index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This objective, however,&amp;nbsp; is supported by a fair use quote from A Concise History of Barbados, by John R. Moore, at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://jonpat.tripod.com/history.html"&gt;http://jonpat.tripod.com/history.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Barbados   had become a destination for military prisoners and Irish natives in    the early years of the colony's growth. Oliver Cromwell &lt;i&gt;"barbadosed"&lt;/i&gt;   any  Irish who refused to clear their land, while allowing other Irish   to be  kidnapped from the streets of Ireland and shipped to Barbados  as  slaves. Many  West Country men were also exiled or &lt;i&gt;"barbadosed"&lt;/i&gt;   by Judge Jeffreys and  were also sold as slaves or indentured servants   to British planters, where they  lived in slave conditions with no   control over the number of years they had to  serve.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;"The number of &lt;i&gt;"barbadosed"&lt;/i&gt;   Irish is not exact but estimates vary from  as low as 12,000 to as  high  as 60,000. Persecuted Catholics from Ireland also  worked the   plantations." &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Find a bibliography of Irish topics in Latin America at &lt;a href="http://www.irlandeses.org/bibliocarib.htm"&gt;http://www.irlandeses.org/bibliocarib.htm&lt;/a&gt;. For surnames, see (Jamaica) &lt;a href="http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/jamone.html"&gt;http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/jamone.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;B. St. Patrick - Slave&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Invaders  for thousands of years have plucked off slaves from Ireland - Rome  included. The Irish and the Norse have a long history in this regard.  Norse slaves were booty  from raids beginning about the 8th-9th  Centuries or so, but also  included as a category those debtors who were  working off debts,  bondsmen, see&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/society/text/social_classes.htm/"&gt;http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/society/text/social_classes.htm/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Saint Patrick himself, born in Britain and Christian, was enslaved at age 16 and sent to Ireland.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/15/opinion/st-patrick-was-a-slave.html"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/15/opinion/st-patrick-was-a-slave.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;  He escaped, went to Europe and ultimately back to his family in Britain  (via a pirate ship seven years after?) see &lt;a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090316-st-patricks-day-facts.html"&gt;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090316-st-patricks-day-facts.html&lt;/a&gt;/  Slavery - a fact of life for millennia.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Read the  National Geographic article to find how little we know of Patrick, and  if he did much of anything at all, and consider the cultural needs of  people to embellish, to personify, and the stories grew. Another topic.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;C.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Malcolm, the Irish Thrall. Iceland.&amp;nbsp; Slavery in the 900-1100's or so.&amp;nbsp; Icelandic Sagas.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; The Icelandic Sagas.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find an overall database at &lt;a href="http://www.sagadb.org/"&gt;http://www.sagadb.org&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For the Irish connection, look at one Norse saga in particular from Iceland,&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Burnt Njal's Saga&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en."&gt;http://www.sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en. &lt;/a&gt;These events transpired at a time that precedes  the Norman invasion of Ireland or Strongbow. This is the era of the  Viking raiding in Ireland, a tale from Iceland.&amp;nbsp; This is not a story of any raiding, but rather of a community over time in Iceland, occasional trips back to Oslo, but essentially families, fighting, values, persons.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Malcolm, a slave or thrall from Ireland, features in the ancient Icelandic Saga, &lt;i&gt;Burnt Njal's Saga.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Read &lt;i&gt;The Burnt Njal Saga&lt;/i&gt; of Iceland at&amp;nbsp; The Icelandic Saga Database, at &lt;a href="http://www.sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en/"&gt;http://www.sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;  Starting at chapter 47, there find Malcolm, a slave or thrall brought  from Ireland - remember that the Norse raided and plundered Ireland and  other areas for centuries.&amp;nbsp; Here is Malcolm in the list, his part not  huge, but memorable in the tale:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Njal was a wise counselor,  chief, among other chiefs, legally astute, a pillar who was killed,  burned with his family inside their own house, all ruined, by those who  had a grudge, insults had accelerated, honor became involved, and  revenge, do read it all.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There is another brave but more hotheaded character, Gunnar;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;his wife is the conniving Hallgerda; and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Otkell, the rich but greedy man, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;his brother Hallbjorn who owned Malcolm.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;and Malcolm, the Irish Thrall&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The gist:&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Malcolm the Irish Thrall did not work well for his master, Hallbjorn. &lt;i&gt;Master &lt;/i&gt;may  not be the quite-right word, because in those days, the slave worked in  a relationship with the owner, and there had to be give and take in the  household. These were not plantations.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Malcolm and  another member of the community, Hallbjorn's brother Otkell, developed a  better relationship than Malcolm had with Hallbjorn.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;So Otkell bought Malcolm from Hallbjorn. Hallbjorn  was relieved at that. He scoffed that his brother Otkell was getting no  bargain.&amp;nbsp; And sure enough, once bought by Otkell, Malcolm the Thrall started to  slack off again.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Then it was Otkell who had bought the lemon, who wanted his money's worth.&amp;nbsp; How better than to pass off Malcolm onto someone else. So Otkell targeted and  schnockered another member of the community,&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Gunnar,&lt;/i&gt; into buying Malcolm.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp;  Now, Otkell himself was no gem.&amp;nbsp; His behavior shows that Otkell was greedy and tight-fisted, in  a culture that required sharing in bad times, for the community to  survive, the me-first mentality of Otkell was not respected.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Gunnar, on the other hand, had been generous with his stores  whenever he had enough for his own household, and some left over to  share.&amp;nbsp; He was well respected.&amp;nbsp; He shared with others, he could expect others to share with him if he should need.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;So when Gunnar,&amp;nbsp; in another season ran out of necessities, he came to Otkell.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Otkell  himself had plenty.&amp;nbsp; He had enough left over from his own stores, after meeting his own needs,  and could well have sold some to Gunnar, and times were hard.&amp;nbsp; Yet he  refused to share with Gunnar. A bad play.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Enter  Njal, the hero of the overall tale.&amp;nbsp; Njal, community leader by  agreement, respected as the good, and the wise, the just.&amp;nbsp; Njal himself  then provided hay and meat to Gunnar, earning Gunnar's loyalty; and  firming up the disgrace of Otkell.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;But the story continues with this about Malcolm:&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; Plot develops.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Enter Gunnar's wife, Hallgerda, the wife of the  one that Otkell had turned away.&amp;nbsp; She is another fierce figure.&amp;nbsp; She is a  saga revenge-seeker.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Hallgerda maneuvers Malcolm, now part of hers and Gunnar's household, into going back to &lt;i&gt;Otkell's&lt;/i&gt; house and &lt;i&gt;stealing&lt;/i&gt; food and burning the storehouse, and threatens him with death if he will not obey. Chapter 48.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6.  What is a poor slave to do?&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Malcolm does as he is directed (he is  only a thrall) and steals from Otkell, but he is found out.&amp;nbsp; Here it gets interesting as to  consequences.&amp;nbsp; There is much ado about &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; punishing Malcolm or  Hallgerda, but resolving the matter with monetary awards, negotiated.&amp;nbsp;  And that is done.&amp;nbsp; No incarceration, no execution.&amp;nbsp; Just pay, and pay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7.&amp;nbsp;  The law appears to be a civil one: make the injured party whole again  by taking money from the evil-doer, but don't incarcerate or execute.  Not clear, but that is how it looks.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Sagas are a window into cultural practices, beliefs. Note that in &lt;i&gt;Njal's Saga&lt;/i&gt;, the justice system of the Norse was not an eye for an eye, but a &lt;i&gt;value &lt;/i&gt;compensation  placed on goods and lives.There was no moralizing about an injustice -  just pay out. Is ours any better where we impose religious right and  wrong by divine edict on people?&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This Thrall Malcolm is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the same as the Scots king Malcolm, of the same name, see Chapter 82.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-1502674346878103333?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/1502674346878103333/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=1502674346878103333' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1502674346878103333'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/1502674346878103333'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/irish-slavery-in-caribbean-forced.html' title='Louth.  Drogheda.  Irish Slavery.  Malcolm the Irish Thrall, St. Patrick, The Caribbean'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115793480261232520</id><published>2010-09-15T11:58:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2012-01-17T10:33:52.827-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Limerick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hanratty&apos;s Hotel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Che Guevara'/><title type='text'>Limerick.  LImerick City. Hanratty's Hotel and Che Guevara, Guest</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Limerick&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Limerick - with Shannon airport nearby - dates from the old hunter-gatherers 3000 years ago, and began as a town under the Vikings.  See &lt;a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-limerick/"&gt;http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-limerick/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/Hanratty.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="400" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Hanratty.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="365" /&gt;Hanratty's Hotel, Limerick, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;Hanratty's Hotel is on Glentworth Street.   Limerick's oldest, and advertising itself as a "commercial" hotel -- business travelers, not tourist-catering. It is so old that the floors are tilty.  Hold on. Stairs are deeply hollowed.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;There is a very dark pub. Excellent. The hotel is on a side street, with its stable areas nearby. Ride right in.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;In 1965, Che Guevara (1928-1967)&amp;nbsp;and friends were there and, the story is told, they put shamrocks on their heads.  See the politician section at &lt;a href="http://experts.about.com/e/i/ir/Irish_diaspora.htm"&gt;http://experts.about.com/e/i/ir/Irish_diaspora.htm&lt;/a&gt; for Che Guevara at Hanratty's.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://limerick.1802.net/che-guevara-at-hanrattys-hotel-limerick-ireland/"&gt;http://limerick.1802.net/che-guevara-at-hanrattys-hotel-limerick-ireland/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xuj0ySkzHMc/TxWUuZjWGdI/AAAAAAAANGA/EJ2ZxxWPwHo/s1600/Che_Guevara.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xuj0ySkzHMc/TxWUuZjWGdI/AAAAAAAANGA/EJ2ZxxWPwHo/s320/Che_Guevara.png" width="260" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ernesto Che Guevara - see biography at &lt;a href="http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/chebio.htm"&gt;http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/chebio.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; A hero to some, despicable to others, his fight against injustice itself bordered on the unjust, but his talents - working in hospital, a photographer, a philosopher, an incendiary, anti-imperialist.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why do we object to others calling western economic and political influence&amp;nbsp;"imperialism",&amp;nbsp; a pejorative that probably is accurate:&amp;nbsp; when empires are being built to the detriment of the indigenous people. We call out&amp;nbsp;"jihad" when others try to spread their beliefs by force.&amp;nbsp; But many in the west see religious forced conversions as merely the proper spread of the right religion.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;Che. We hardly knew ye, and who has a balanced view. See &lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara01.html"&gt;http://time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara01.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Logistics at the hotel:&amp;nbsp; Where to park? Drive around to the big double swing doors leading to an inner stables and courtyard, the old horse and carriage area, through the archway and through the alleyway to the old stables.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.technorati.com/claim/ijsy6xbes" rel="me"&gt;Technorati Profile&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115793480261232520?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115793480261232520/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115793480261232520' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115793480261232520'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115793480261232520'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/limerick-hanrattys-and-che-guevara.html' title='Limerick.  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Hanratty&apos;s Hotel and Che Guevara, Guest'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xuj0ySkzHMc/TxWUuZjWGdI/AAAAAAAANGA/EJ2ZxxWPwHo/s72-c/Che_Guevara.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-110618406219711503</id><published>2010-08-16T20:20:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-09T10:26:29.583-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Limerick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bunratty Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spanish Armada'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fairst oop baist draist'/><title type='text'>Limerick. Bunratty Castle, County Limerick</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Limerick's Bunratty Castle&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bunratty: For the indigenous Irish in 1275, a disaster.&amp;nbsp; For the Normans, who displaced them thanks to the Earl of Clare, it was a bonanza.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; But the O'Briens and the MacNamaras&amp;nbsp;fought back against the Clares, winning the area back and rebuilding Bunratty for themselves.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.travelsinireland.com/castle/bunratty.htm"&gt;http://www.travelsinireland.com/castle/bunratty.htm&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;a href="http://www.guide-to-castles-of-europe.com/bunratty-castle.html"&gt;http://www.guide-to-castles-of-europe.com/bunratty-castle.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Plan to fly into Shannon Airport at Limerick early in the morning, so there will be a full day available ahead. Early also means a better choice of the rental cars - even if supposedly reserved in advance. Bunratty is on the route north, just past the airport area. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0002.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0002.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Bunratty Castle, Limerick, Ireland&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;It is a perfect first stop, and a breather from driving on the left. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://shannonheritage.com/Bunratty_Day.htm/"&gt;http://shannonheritage.com/Bunratty_Day.htm/&lt;/a&gt;. There had been an older&amp;nbsp;Viking site there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;It is reconstructed and furnished, with guides and an outside village "folk park" area with the cottages and peat fires.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;There are medieval banquets at Bunratty if you are there at the right time.  You can see huge pieces of furniture salvaged from the wrecked Spanish armada, see &lt;a href="http://bunrattycollection.com/search.php?r=7"&gt;http://bunrattycollection.com/search.php?r=7&lt;/a&gt;". There are elk horns as wide as a small room.  See them at &lt;a href="http://tourismireland.igougo.com/photogallery/displayFeaturePhoto.asp?ID=200159"&gt;http://tourismireland.igougo.com/photogallery/displayFeaturePhoto.asp?ID=200159&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; See shades of animals gone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We were there before it opened, and a guide took us through anyway.&amp;nbsp; His comment: Fairst oop, baist draist, meaning, "First up, best dressed".&amp;nbsp; That is&amp;nbsp;an old cottage saying -- the one first up gets first choice of the closet.&lt;br /&gt;First up, best dressed. First come, first served.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-110618406219711503?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/110618406219711503/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=110618406219711503' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110618406219711503'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110618406219711503'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2005/01/limerick-and-bunratty-fairst-oop.html' title='Limerick. Bunratty Castle, County Limerick'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-114910602739741195</id><published>2010-08-15T16:06:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-10T18:33:57.625-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gregorian Reforms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='early Irish Christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tree covering gravestone'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='political history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history of Norman Invasion of Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Irish ecclesiastial history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Adare'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='eras if church ruins'/><title type='text'>Limerick.  ADARE. Tree 10; Gravestone 2.  History of Ireland</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Adare, Limerick&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Monastic Traditions, Before and After Augustinian Reforms&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ruins, ruins.&amp;nbsp; How to place any of them in a chronology that makes sense.&amp;nbsp; We found this site, and in laying out the ecclesiastical and political highlights here, use it, among other sources:&amp;nbsp; Prize for best Irish history --go to New York's Channel 13, broadcasting, timeline at &lt;a href="http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106"&gt;http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Ruins -- Ecclesiastical Ireland. Adare's Friary is an example&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We were here on our return to Shannon airport, but include it with the rest of Limerick, where we began.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/Irelandmonasruingolfgravetree.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Irelandmonasruingolfgravetree.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Adare, Ireland, Franciscan Friary, tree eating gravestone, golf course&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Time always wins.&amp;nbsp;Humans who pit themselves against Nature and The Trees have a heavy lift.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Adare as part of the Roman Christian Gregorian&amp;nbsp;Reforms, the era after 1100 AD or so&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ireland's ecclesiastical ruins may look alike, but their eras, and what they signify, differ:&amp;nbsp; Christianity was not all of one cloth.&amp;nbsp; Irish engaged Christianity their way first, before Rome came along after its split with the Eastern Christians, the Orthodox.&amp;nbsp; Irish Christianity, think St. Patrick, St. Finnian.&amp;nbsp; Their examples led to the monastic, contemplative, individualistic, creative phase to, say, 1100. With Gregorian Reforms on the Continent;&amp;nbsp; and the jurisdiction of Rome being asserted with its administrations and armies and Holy Roman Emperors, enforcements and regimentation became more important.&amp;nbsp; And there was no longer choice. That seems to be broadly true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 11th Century Gregorian Reforms turned the face of Christianity from withdrawing from the world, the deeply meditative, the deeply spiritual ascetic; to a new philosophy. Get out there and change the world; or, in the alternative, become a monk and totally live within the monastery, no or little contact with the outside world; and only with strict permissions and limits.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; "The Gregorian reform encourages the practice of Christian warfare in the  pursuit of providing 'right order in the world' and establishes religious  enthusiasm in all of Christendom."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;, Timeline entry at 1073 AD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Reforms were an outgrowth and furtherance&amp;nbsp;of the mindset and regulations of Charlemagne in establishing the Holy Roman Empire on the Continent, in 802 AD, but with authority and jurisdiction more strongly in the Pope, not the Emperor. Is that so? See &lt;a href="http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=15&amp;amp;gps=209_11_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/bullad.htm"&gt;http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=15&amp;amp;gps=209_11_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/bullad.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;So what? What difference does that make to Ireland, and this friary?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It makes a difference because the Pope's increasing militance and crusades and moneyraising and identity forging on the Continent led directly to the invasion of the Anglo Normans in Ireland, and they never left.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look back, as you think of the tree of the papacy overcoming over time even the very stones that leaned on it for support.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pope Adrian IV, in 1155,&amp;nbsp;issued a Bull authorizing King Henry of England to invade Ireland to shape it up according to Roman Church&amp;nbsp;(HRE)&amp;nbsp;standards.&amp;nbsp; Why?&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Not only did Henry want this power in his pocket, he and the Pope both had money to be made.&amp;nbsp; In exchange for the permission, the Pope got well paid, very well paid. The "Laudibiliter" provided for a king of tax to be paid to him, per capita, see &lt;a href="http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/adrianiv.html"&gt;http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/adrianiv.html&lt;/a&gt;See &lt;a href="http://www.fordham.edu/Halsall/source/geraldwales1.asp"&gt;http://www.fordham.edu/Halsall/source/geraldwales1.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; But Henry had been himself petitioned by one Dermot, a king in Ireland, for help to get his lands back, from those who deposed him, after his affair with a lovely lady someone else's wife, is that so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, invasion authorized, an instigating event was very human indeed, it fit the Pope and the English King to indulge, and so they did.&amp;nbsp; What a change, for Christianity and the world because the new Christianity was a totally different entity, as a centralized, power institution. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt; Irish Christianity had been decentralized, its monasteries contemplative even if they did compete with each other and engage in raiding in early years. See it and comment at &lt;a href="http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=15&amp;amp;gps=209_11_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/bullad.htm"&gt;http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=15&amp;amp;gps=209_11_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/bullad.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Henry did so some 16 years later, launching the Anglo-Norman invasion of this nation.&amp;nbsp;In came Roman regimentation, regulations and rules, back&amp;nbsp;in the 1100's.&amp;nbsp; And, of course, Henry paid the Church for the privilege, an ongoing income stream to the Pope's coffers in exchange for the Bull.&amp;nbsp; FN 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to Adare.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, this old stone, now overwelmed, is on the grounds of a Franciscan Friary, not in the early tradition of contemplation and dedication, but&amp;nbsp; built by the Earl of Kildare&amp;nbsp;1464-1466, a building that was part of the institutional sweep after the age of isolated monastic activities,&amp;nbsp;see &lt;a href="http://www.discoverireland.ie/Arts-Culture-Heritage/adare-franciscan-friary/49921."&gt;http://www.discoverireland.ie/Arts-Culture-Heritage/adare-franciscan-friary/49921.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; The date of the stone itself? Have to go back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Christianity never recovered from this infusion of Rome's&amp;nbsp;ecclesiastical&amp;nbsp;authoritarian religious zeal - enter the crusades, the Northern Crusades against the people of the north of Europe, the Middle East. Certainly no recovery for the side of Christianity that early Irish Christians and others had pursued, then who found themselves righteously invaded by papal armies and the like. 1096-1099 AD, for example.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The First Crusade. It succeeded and Jerusalem was taken and Latin areas were established in the East (which?). And, meanwhile, the Normans (who, the lords in Wales&amp;nbsp;we now find. had been invading Ireland here and there on their own, even before Henry) then followed through in their aid to Dermot and invaded smartly, see &lt;a href="http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=3921&amp;amp;gps=161_9_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.britannia.com/history/docs/giraldus.html"&gt;http://historymedren.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;amp;zTi=1&amp;amp;sdn=historymedren&amp;amp;cdn=education&amp;amp;tm=3921&amp;amp;gps=161_9_1366_564&amp;amp;f=00&amp;amp;tt=14&amp;amp;bt=0&amp;amp;bts=0&amp;amp;zu=http%3A//www.britannia.com/history/docs/giraldus.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing is simple.&amp;nbsp; What causes what? History of the Anglo - Norman Invasion of Ireland.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This&amp;nbsp;step&amp;nbsp;backward from religion into militance authorizing , was introduced earlier as well:&amp;nbsp; permission to kill unbelievers or whoever else without penalty did not start with Adrian.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a. &amp;nbsp; Pope Leo IV, &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/leo4-ind850.asp"&gt;http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/leo4-ind850.asp&lt;/a&gt;in 850 granted the indulgence to the Franks, Pope John in 878, a few years after Charlemagne's "crusades" against the northern people of Europe, massacre at&amp;nbsp; Sachsenhain in 872 est.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;b.&amp;nbsp; Pope John VIII, see &lt;a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john2-ind878.asp"&gt;http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john2-ind878.asp&lt;/a&gt;; If you die in these battles, you will have eternal life, your sins forgiven. -&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;c.&amp;nbsp; Read Pope Urban&amp;nbsp;-&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="H_body_text"&gt;"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins". See &lt;a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/urban2-5vers.asp"&gt;http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/urban2-5vers.asp&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: x-small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We still live with the 3&amp;nbsp;conditions that make murder permissible&amp;nbsp; --&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the policy evolved. Killling is fine, indulgences for the killer, dispensation, forgiveness of sins, eternal life --&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;" * * * the introduction of a new ideology of Christian warfare in  which wars undertaken --&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; 1) under the authority of the pope, &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;2) for the protection  or in defense of the Church and Christianity, and &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3) under a solemn vow would be  regarded by the Church as meritorious acts akin to pilgrimages and earn the  participants indulgences (remission of the temporal penalties of sin)."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Irish Christians had, however, not been totally peacable among themselves; and inter-monastery raiding was not uncommon. Also, the Irish themselves raided the monasteries. See &lt;a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm"&gt;http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;It is time to put violence in perspective. The Vikings have been long maligned.&amp;nbsp; They were not the first at all to find the vulnerability of monasteries and churches. And the Roman Christian policy of invasion and murder at home and abroad if the target does not subject himself or herself to the Pope's law, makes the Vikings look like nursery school, is that so?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does anyone care any more? Irish history, old stuff. &lt;br /&gt;Now all of that, representing the New Ecclesiastical Enforcement Order,&amp;nbsp;is a ruin surrounded by a golf course.&amp;nbsp; There is another "Trinitarian" Monastery from 1293 noted at &lt;a href="http://www.myguideireland.com/adare-heritage-centre-and-desmond-castle-tour"&gt;http://www.myguideireland.com/adare-heritage-centre-and-desmond-castle-tour&lt;/a&gt;, the "White Abbey" because monks wore white robes; that may&amp;nbsp;have signified Cistercians, see &lt;a href="http://www.sacred-destinations.com/reference/cistercians"&gt;http://www.sacred-destinations.com/reference/cistercians&lt;/a&gt;. It&amp;nbsp;later the was known as the"Black Abbey" when it became Benedictine (Augustinian?)&amp;nbsp;and the monks wore black robes.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are these at this White-Black friary one and the same or different from this Franciscan Friary?&amp;nbsp; Ireland's ruins have more to say than that.&amp;nbsp; So much of history is lost with such brief references.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.......................&lt;br /&gt;FN 1 When did these large ecclesiastical Orders come to Ireland?&amp;nbsp; It wasn't until 1100 AD.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity was well-established in Ireland without the Roman overlay.&amp;nbsp; Did creativity stop with the overlay?&amp;nbsp; See the chronology:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; EARLY&amp;nbsp; HISTORY OF ECCLESIASTICAL IRELAND&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pre-700.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;432 AD.&amp;nbsp; Christianity comes to Ireland, through Patrick? See the timeline at &lt;a href="http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106"&gt;http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Patrick dies 492, but leaves documentation in form of a letter and other items&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;550-650 AD.&amp;nbsp; Irish monasticism, a rural, highly varied expression of Christianity, expands and flowers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;563 AD&amp;nbsp;- Columcille, known as St. Columba, founds the monastery at Iona, and it becomes a focal point for outreach, Christian missionary work in Scotland and elsewhere in Europe&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;700 AD - Many monasteries become very large, wealthy and influential; Armagh as the center of Irish Christianity; Ui Niall becomes High King, and Armagh set as center of Irish Christianity and civil culture&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;794 AD - first Viking raids -- but this does not disrupt Irish Christianity because starting years before,&amp;nbsp;the monasteries were being raided&amp;nbsp;by other Irish, for their wealth, and also raided by other monasteries. &lt;a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm"&gt;http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;800&amp;nbsp;AD - flowering of Irish scholarship, in Ireland and Europe much sought after, even by Charlemagne&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;820-847 AD - Bishop of Cashel raids other monasteries and attacks other abbots&amp;nbsp;(he is&amp;nbsp;Feidlimid Mac Crimthainn and he is also the King of Munster) in an effort to get Ui Niall off the throne and become High King&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;841 - Vikings settle in Dublin, make alliances with some Kings; raid and settle at Wexford, Waterford, Limerick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;941 - Brian Boru becomes King, focuses power much as European Kings had earlier&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;976 - King Brian Boru routs the Vikings from Limerick&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1014 - Brian is killed at Clontarf near Dublin, and go on to modern times at &lt;a href="http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106"&gt;http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1054 - Great Schism --&amp;nbsp; Rome was now on its own, had to build up authority&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;"Schism&lt;/b&gt; between  Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Churches over 1) the Patriarch’s refusal to  recognize the primacy of the Pope, and 2) question of the nature of the Trinity  (“&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;filioque&lt;/span&gt;” controversy). &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Humbert&lt;/span&gt; of Silva Candida excommunicates Patriarch Michael;  Michael responds by excommunicating &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Humbert&lt;/span&gt; and Pope  Leo IX (who had died three months earlier, which was not then known in  &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Constantinople&lt;/st1:place&gt;)" Fair use, from&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; The "Reform" (read "Dictatorship") of the Irish Church by Rome&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;So when was it that the early Christians were "reformed"&amp;nbsp; by the Roman Catholics?&amp;nbsp; Read the timeline -- &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the coming of early monks sent by&amp;nbsp;Augustine monks (Augustinians as an Order did not arrive until the 1200's, see &lt;a href="http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70"&gt;http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70&lt;/a&gt;.)&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This&amp;nbsp;signaled "reforms" ordered by the Roman Church as to the wayward, individualist and compassionate loose-organization of the early Irish Christians.&amp;nbsp; Monasteries did indeed improve agriculture, provide for scriptoria to preserve and copy books, but they also found "last rites" as a sacrament an ideal way to get property -- How rich did they&amp;nbsp;then become? &amp;nbsp;" In England they owned one fifth of all its cultivable land." Nice.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.metanexus.net/magazine/ArticleDetail/tabid/68/id/10539/Default.aspx"&gt;http://www.metanexus.net/magazine/ArticleDetail/tabid/68/id/10539/Default.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Earlier monasteries had wealth, see the raids by other monasteries and abbots and other Irish as to the earlier structures, &lt;a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm"&gt;http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm&lt;/a&gt;, but nothing like the wealth that was possible for the church now&amp;nbsp;through the "reforms."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; The power of discipline, conformity&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find the rules of differing Orders:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read the Rule of St. Benedict at &lt;a href="http://www.osb.org/rb/text/toc.html"&gt;http://www.osb.org/rb/text/toc.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;At what cost was that regimentation, how&amp;nbsp;like political dictatorships as&amp;nbsp;to individual thought? Is that so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;The sensory deprivation of living in cells, minimal diet, and sleep deprivation of up to do services on rigid schedules, "rules" - today we would call the process&amp;nbsp; brainwashing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Compare the Rule of St. Francis at &lt;a href="http://www.osb.org/rb/text/toc.html"&gt;http://www.osb.org/rb/text/toc.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Somewhat more&amp;nbsp;humana, but still not representing the pre-Augustinian reform Christianity in Ireland. Now, which Order would the Tea Party support?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;6.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;ROMAN CATHOLIC REFORM PERIOD IN IRELAND 1100-DATE&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1098 A.D&lt;/b&gt;. - Cistercian monastic order founded on the Continent, see &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cistercian Rule:&amp;nbsp; Strict obedience to the&lt;i&gt; Benedictine&lt;/i&gt; Rule (need to clarify); &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;"separation  from secular influence (no peasants serving the monastery; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;rather lay  brothers--peasants in orders, who served God by manual labor.)  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Simplicity--churches and other buildings unadorned and undecorated; crucifixes  only of cheap, plain material--no gold and silver ornamentation. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Accepted only  uncultivated land. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Refused oblates. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Had to be 16 to become a monk." &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;See entry 1098 at &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;1100 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; --&amp;nbsp; Rome begins a propaganda effort against the Irish Christians.&amp;nbsp; On the continent, Gregory (the Gregorian Reforms ) change the Church into a mold controlled by Rome.&amp;nbsp; All this is summarized from the chronology at &lt;a href="http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106"&gt;http://www.wnet.org/pressroom/release.php?get=106&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; No&amp;nbsp;more independence to be tolerated as to the Irish Church&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1113 A.D. - &lt;/b&gt;Cistercian Order acquires vast new properties under Bernard de Clairvaux. Number of houses grew from 5 to 393 at the time of his death in 1153.&amp;nbsp; In 1143, Cistercians come to Ireland.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;c. 1100 - 1150 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- The Diocesan model arrives to control Irish Christianity.&amp;nbsp; Irish Christianity had focused on a family-owned system, and that now begins to die out -- and with it, the unique spirituality of the Irish Church. Enter Rules,&amp;nbsp;firm Creeds, regulations, inclusions, exclusions. Control. Jurisdiction by Rome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1142 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- Cistercians come to County Meath. Now starts the influx of monastic Orders from the Continent to finish the job: Cistercians at Mellifont, County Meath, are first.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1152 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- Synod of Kells. A new diocesan form is imposed on the Irish church, with the installation of four archbishops.&amp;nbsp; Hierarchy, hierarchy. And, from here on, women&amp;nbsp;are barred from holding title of "bishop" and there are no more hereditary successions.&amp;nbsp; Celibacy is imposed as well and required for ordination.&amp;nbsp; These measures were already in effect on the Continent.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;As an aside "&lt;/b&gt;Dermot MacMurrough, King of Leinster,  abducts Dervorgilla, the wife of Tiernan Ua Ruairc. Dermot and Dervorgilla are  said to be lovers and the whole of Ireland learns of the affair much to Ua  Ruairc's embarrassment."&amp;nbsp; See Thirteen site. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1155 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- Invasion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Pope Adrian IV is the only Pope to be from England, and he issues a "bull" allowing Henry II the King to invade Ireland to ensure Irish conformity to Roman church rule. Henry does so later, when it is more convenient as to his other wars.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;c. 1160s A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- Back to the scandal. Dermot the abductor wants to be High&amp;nbsp;King, but so might his rival&amp;nbsp; Rory O'Connor. Rory wins out.&amp;nbsp; He was allied with the cuckold,&amp;nbsp;Ua Ruairc, and Ua Rairc seeks revenge and manages to get&amp;nbsp;Dermot removed as King in Leinster. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1167 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; -- Dermot runs to Henry II for help, and Henry II sends an army to help Dermot get his Kingship back in Leinster.&amp;nbsp; The Anglo-Normans accordingly arrive, and do not go home again.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;First the invitation, then the invasion. Fine excuse, blessed by the Pope. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;1175 A.D.&lt;/b&gt; --  King Henry II sets up his son John as&amp;nbsp;Lord of Ireland. The pope, Alexander III (Adrian died when?) agrees.&amp;nbsp; John then ascends to the English throne and incorporates the title of Lord of Ireland into the English monarchy.&amp;nbsp; Ireland comes under the authority of the English crown.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the centuries-old conflict begins.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;........&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Thirteen/WNET New York&amp;nbsp;see : &lt;a href="http://www.thirteen.org/" target="_top"&gt;www.thirteen.org&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We came on this ruin without use of guidebook. Take back roads rather than the motorways.&amp;nbsp; Find the many ruins, old churches, castles. Free to roam. No guardrails usually, just a sign saying to be careful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://limerickdioceseheritage.org/Adare/textAdare.htm"&gt;http://limerickdioceseheritage.org/Adare/textAdare.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is easy to find Roman Catholic sites on the later&amp;nbsp;holy places, after their dominance was assured, here is one that begins with 1100 AD, &lt;a href="http://earlychristianireland.org/index.html"&gt;http://earlychristianireland.org/index.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Or &lt;a href="http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/medieval-monks.htm."&gt;http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/medieval-monks.htm.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our interest, however, is with the "reforms" required by the Romans when they subjugated the existing Christians in Ireland.&amp;nbsp; Celtic Ireland is also easy to find, see &lt;a href="http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/iron_age.html"&gt;http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/iron_age.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go to &lt;a href="http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70"&gt;http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;There find accounts of&amp;nbsp;the charisma of early founders of the monasteries, most now remembered as saints.&amp;nbsp; Is it so that the Great Saints, those beyond mere founding of monastic orders but in hearts of the faithful, those predating 700 in Ireland.&amp;nbsp; Those great saints predate the Roman reform programs,&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;St. Finnian in Meath and his monastery, Clonard.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;St. Ciaran who founded Clonmacnois, on the Shannon River, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;St. Brendan,&amp;nbsp; founding Clonfort (Galway).&amp;nbsp; And &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;St. Columba, Columcille, who then went to Scotland, in 563, to Iona. Lindisfarne was an offshoot, off Northumberland. And &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;St. Patrick. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The greatest saints predate the Roman Catholic imposition.&amp;nbsp; Is that so?&amp;nbsp; And the greatest illumination of manuscripts similarly predating the institutional monastic movements, the Book of Kells in 800; the Lindisfarne Gospels in 700, the the Book of Durrow in 650.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/" name="2940"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/" name="ejj"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="mdblk"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Illuminated manuscripts: 7th - 11th century  AD&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Irish monks of the 7th and 8th century create illuminated  manuscripts which are among the greatest treasures of Celtic and early Christian  art.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read more: &lt;a href="http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70#ixzz1XUAZn4m3" style="color: #003399;"&gt;http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70#ixzz1XUAZn4m3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: transparent; border: currentColor; color: black; height: 34px; overflow: hidden; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; width: 659px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Human interest in graveyards:&amp;nbsp; It is reflected in all the words used to find them.&amp;nbsp; See&amp;nbsp;hundreds of words/synonyms for a graveyard, including Poe's 100-&amp;nbsp; at &lt;a href="http://www.houseofusher.net/graveyar.html"&gt;http://www.houseofusher.net/graveyar.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-114910602739741195?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/114910602739741195/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=114910602739741195' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/114910602739741195'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/114910602739741195'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/05/ruins-and-headstones-in-golf-courses.html' title='Limerick.  ADARE. Tree 10; Gravestone 2.  History of Ireland'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-6972633697998458256</id><published>2010-08-14T13:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-07T08:56:00.543-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Clare'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thatched roof'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thatching techniques'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thatched roof cottages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Galway'/><title type='text'>Clare.  NEAR GALWAY - Thatching</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Thatched Roof&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are still thatched roofs, big houses, little houses, but we saw more and more regular tile used for roofing.&amp;nbsp; Here is a large home, thatched roof, with the stone structure plastered and whitewashed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thatch turned out to be good against weather, but bad against those seeking to evict the inhabitants of the house.&amp;nbsp; Thatch could be used for concealing items of value, leading the overlords and others to set fire to the place.&amp;nbsp; One reason for burning poor renters out of their houses during the clearances in Ireland and Scotland years ago, see &lt;a href="http://rootsweb.com/~pictou/clearncs.htm"&gt;http://rootsweb.com/%7Epictou/clearncs.htm&lt;/a&gt;, was to access any bits of gold or other valuables.&amp;nbsp; Occasionally as well, perhaps the insects and rodents up there required a redo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Scots and Irish have been intermingling back and forth since the 5-7th centuries, says the site.  Mc and Mac alone did not denote which was which, and the Irish were the more ancient. Read of the race of Dalraida, Irish, at this Scottish site, &lt;a href="http://www.heartoscotland.com/Categories/History2.htm"&gt;http://www.heartoscotland.com/Categories/History2.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/thatch.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="180" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/thatch.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;County Clare, Cottage, thatched roof, near Galway, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thatching is a live industry.&amp;nbsp; Find thatching techniques and instruction at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://thatch.org/"&gt;http://thatch.org/&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thatching is also available in US for new home construction.  See &lt;a href="http://thatching.com/faq.html"&gt;http://thatching.com/faq.html&lt;/a&gt; for thatching in North America. &amp;nbsp; It is more popular in the UK, see&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/thatchrf/thatchrf.htm"&gt;http://www.buildingconservation.com/articles/thatchrf/thatchrf.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-6972633697998458256?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/6972633697998458256/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=6972633697998458256' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/6972633697998458256'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/6972633697998458256'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/near-galway-thatching.html' title='Clare.  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[O]of this barony it  is said that it is a country where there is not water enough to drown a man,  wood enough to hang one, nor earth enough to bury them. This last is so scarce  that the inhabitants steal it from one another and yet their cattle are very  fat. The grass grows in tufts of earth of two or three foot square which lies  between the limestone rocks and is very sweet and nourishing.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An Irish barony is a county subdivision, perhaps of Norman origin, but no longer part of local government, see &lt;a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/barony.htm"&gt;http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/barony.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/ireburren.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="210" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/ireburren.jpg" style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" width="400" /&gt;The Burren, County Clare, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From Limerick, going north toward Galway, drive at random off through the Burren, this kind of barren moonscape - there is always a crossroads somewhere and a pub with good food and directions.&lt;br /&gt;The Burren is an unexpected rocky, fantastic in the sense of storied, place. See historical folklore and map at &lt;a href="http://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/the_burren/the_burren.htm"&gt;http://clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/the_burren/the_burren.htm&lt;/a&gt;. This is a stop-often and walk-around place.&amp;nbsp; There are tiny flowers in the limestone&amp;nbsp;rock cracks, a rabbit or two. Stop at the town of Ballyvaughan for old-time views. Find a Burren musical site at &lt;a href="http://moytura.com/burren.htm"&gt;http://moytura.com/burren.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is often lumped with Connemara as to tours, see two cyclists doing it at &lt;a href="http://www.dochara.com/places-to-visit/scenic-places/the-burren/"&gt;http://www.dochara.com/places-to-visit/scenic-places/the-burren/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This would be an excellent geo-tourism site because of the geological sites and attractions. See book "Geotourism" by Ross Dowling at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/706060/description#description"&gt;http://elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/706060/description#description&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It was widely inhabited in the Stone Age, becoming less hospitable to human life as time passed.&amp;nbsp; The limestone dissolves, creating cracks and crevices, where some soil can land, and a plant take hold. See the geological and human history at &lt;a href="http://www.dochara.com/places-to-visit/scenic-places/the-burren/"&gt;http://www.dochara.com/places-to-visit/scenic-places/the-burren/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115097895527883775?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115097895527883775/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115097895527883775' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115097895527883775'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115097895527883775'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/burren-ring-of-kerry-and-emerald-isle.html' title='Clare, THE BURREN, County Clare'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-3727973421818484879</id><published>2010-08-13T23:37:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-23T11:49:05.892-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thoor Ballylee'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='zYeats&apos; home'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='William Butler Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norman tower'/><title type='text'>Galway, GORT, Yeats' home, Norman tower, County Galway. Thoor Ballylee</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Thoor Ballylee, Gort.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;County Galway&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Tower Home of William Butler Yeats&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/971/808/1600/scan0006.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="305" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/971/808/320/scan0006.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" width="400" /&gt;Gort, Thoor Ballylee, Ireland, Yeats' Norman Tower home&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gort is a little&amp;nbsp;town is some 22 miles south of the town of Galway, on the road from Shannon Airport.&amp;nbsp; William Butler Yeats made his home here, in a Norman tower; Coole&amp;nbsp;Park is&amp;nbsp;within a few miles, where Lady Gregory welcomed leaders of the&amp;nbsp;Irish literary revival, see &lt;br /&gt;The Normans arrived in Ireland in 1169, and at first ensconced themselves in the "motte and bailey" fortification, a created hill, with a timber dwelling at top, to house folk while the lower stockade was built for defense. Soon this kind of structure was abandoned, in favor of the stone tower, the tower house.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.ballybegvillage.com/tower_houses.html"&gt;http://www.ballybegvillage.com/tower_houses.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; They are seen all over Ireland, many, like this, still in use or museums.&amp;nbsp; There are several kinds of basic floor plans; and with the lack of a centralized government for so long, these were good defense against both Irish and English -- the Normans frequently slid to the Irish-sympathizer side, becoming the Anglo-Normans "Irish-ified."&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeats lived with his wife and family in this Norman Tower at Gort, between Limerick and Galway. Its formal name is Thoor Ballylee.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a little sign on the road.  It is furnished and a fine display. One room per floor, up and up. Is the side area part of an original L-shaped plan, or added?&amp;nbsp; Usually there was a celler, a main floor, and two floors of living areas above.&amp;nbsp; In the 12-14th centuries, the scale became larger, not smaller with a reduced risk of attack, and for status reasons. Then, in the 15th and 16th centuries, the stress again was put on defense. See the Detail Tower House site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More on Yeats at Gort at &lt;a href="http://all-ireland.com/attractions/t/thoor-ballylee.htm"&gt;http://all-ireland.com/attractions/t/thoor-ballylee.htm&lt;/a&gt;. See also &lt;a href="http://gort.galway-ireland.ie/thoor-ballylee.htm"&gt;http://gort.galway-ireland.ie/thoor-ballylee.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-3727973421818484879?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/3727973421818484879/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=3727973421818484879' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3727973421818484879'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3727973421818484879'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/republic-county-galway-gort-yeats-home.html' title='Galway, GORT, Yeats&apos; home, Norman tower, County Galway. Thoor Ballylee'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115627533289611276</id><published>2010-08-13T03:31:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-12-04T13:05:43.726-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cormorant cliffs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Aran Islands'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Man of Aran'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Book of Arran'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Clare'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SkarfR'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Skarfaklettar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='skarfa'/><title type='text'>Galway. ARAN ISLANDS, County Galway</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Aran Islands&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Galway&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Geology, archeology, history, culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The Aran Islands were formed some 350 million years ago, of a kind of limestone that erodes in patterns, producing a terracing.&amp;nbsp; Once there were forests, and the erosions accelerated as the root systems died.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/chebio.htm"&gt;http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/chebio.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The islands have long been a center for fishing cultures; and agriculture in carefully tended stone-walled areas. Take a ferry to get there.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0013.8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="263" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0013.8.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Aran Islands, Ireland, horse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. For a sense of the culture that developed here, read &lt;i&gt;The Aran Islands,&lt;/i&gt; by John M. Synge, book first published in 1907.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Synge lived with cottagers on the different islands, a project encouraged by William Butler Yeats who had also visited there.&amp;nbsp; It is a Project Gutenberg book at &lt;a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4381"&gt;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4381&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Synge had a brief but brilliant literary career, including major works as a&amp;nbsp;playwright,&amp;nbsp; and he died in 1909. See &lt;a href="http://www.theatrehistory.com/irish/synge001.html"&gt;http://www.theatrehistory.com/irish/synge001.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Film:&amp;nbsp; See the 1934 film, "Man of Aran," from your library or video store for the best traditional overview. See &lt;a href="http://www.iol.ie/%7Egalfilm/filmwest/19aran.htm"&gt;http://www.iol.ie/%7Egalfilm/filmwest/19aran.htm&lt;/a&gt;; or &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025456/"&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025456/&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;nbsp; or &lt;a href="http://www.irishfilm.net/blurbs/MOA.html"&gt;http://www.irishfilm.net/blurbs/MOA.html. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Some literature shows a darker side to this west coast, rugged area.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;Lunar and vast, to the casual visitor. See playwright Martin McDonagh, &lt;a href="http://www.angrianan.com/lwauthor.html"&gt;http://www.angrianan.com/lwauthor.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;  Find a life and letters review in New Yorker 3/6/2006a t p. 40 ff.  He  presents a "savage world" -- plays include trilogies including&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The Cripple of Inishmaan,"&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The Lonesome West," and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"A Skull in Connemara." Compare the amorality and anarchy,  miscreants and misfits (terms used in the review) to earlier - and now.  Any difference in people anywhere?  "The Lieutenant of Inishmore" and  its premiere at the Atlantic Theater Company, New Yorker 3/13/2006 at  page 92ff.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.irishfilm.net/blurbs/MOA.html"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Connemara - when you return, see tourist sides  at &lt;a href="http://www.connemara.net/"&gt;http://www.connemara.net&lt;/a&gt;; and at &lt;a href="http://www.moytura.com/connemara.htm%22&amp;amp;gt"&gt;http://www.moytura.com/connemara.htm"&amp;amp;gt&lt;/a&gt;; Connemara photos, history. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Of particular interest is the number of stories, ballads, poems, ditties,&amp;nbsp; how the threshing and other survival tasks were done, customs, written down as recalled, the references to the Black Irish (Spanish, even Middle Eastern heritage, an emigration long ago?) and a local of that heritage; the costume of the women, bright red full skirts with petticoats so that the skirt could be pulled over the head for shelter in bad weather.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; There is reliance on the steamers from the mainland weekly, managing the curaghs (local fishing craft), see one at &lt;a href="http://www.artsheaven.com/frank-mckelvey-a-large-curragh-of-the-aran-island-type.html"&gt;http://www.artsheaven.com/frank-mckelvey-a-large-curragh-of-the-aran-island-type.html&lt;/a&gt;; and references to Spanish or other southern cultures in some architectural elements. We know that off-island&amp;nbsp;mariners came, settled, or were wrecked&amp;nbsp;or were washed up on Western Ireland through the centuries.&amp;nbsp; Now, there are also planes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Practicalities. Where to get soil when the topography is limestone?&amp;nbsp; By hand.&amp;nbsp; Mix sand, seaweed, manure and fish meal.&amp;nbsp; Presto. Soil.&amp;nbsp;Build walls - a natural with all the stone - to mark boundaries and also baffle the wind. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Irish Aran Islands, off Galway, are different from the large Isle of Arran&amp;nbsp;off Scotland, at the Firth of Clyde. &amp;nbsp;Find Arran Island at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.visitarran.net/"&gt;http://www.visitarran.net/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Read &lt;i&gt;The Book of Arran,&lt;/i&gt; an extensive history and recording of folklore of Arran Island by W. M. MacKenzie from 1914.  Find it online, second volume at &lt;a href="http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924091786255/cu31924091786255_djvu.txt/"&gt;http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924091786255/cu31924091786255_djvu.txt/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The Norse ruled here, on Arran,&amp;nbsp;for centuries, until the 1300's when Scotland ascended. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; Migrations, visitors.&amp;nbsp; Remnants of other visitors: perhaps Norse, although that tradition is stronger on the mainland or&amp;nbsp;islands between Ireland and Scotland, toward Norway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Skarfaklettar = cormorant cliffs (skarfr, pi. skarfar, gen. pi. skarfa = cormorant. Klettar =&amp;nbsp;cliffs).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; That name appears on Arran, but perhaps not on Aran.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Cormorant: nests on shaley cliffs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gaelic for cormorant is close:&amp;nbsp; Sgarbh.&amp;nbsp; The Danish for cormorant is Skarv.&amp;nbsp; The Swedish and Norwegian (both)&amp;nbsp;is Storskarv.&amp;nbsp;Icelandic:&amp;nbsp; Dilaskarfur.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;O, Great Cormorant. Appearing in so many languages in recognizable forms.&amp;nbsp; History is always with us.&amp;nbsp;But in Irish, Broigheall. &amp;nbsp;See &lt;a href="http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob720.htm"&gt;http://blx1.bto.org/birdfacts/results/bob720.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Irish Gaelic:&amp;nbsp; see &lt;a href="http://www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm"&gt;http://www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scariff Island, An Scairbh is much farther south.&amp;nbsp; The author of the comment there is unclear as to the name origin.&amp;nbsp; Cormorants and other roots in&amp;nbsp;Norse, sir, Norse. &lt;a href="http://mountainviews.ie/summit/1000/comment/6435/"&gt;http://mountainviews.ie/summit/1000/comment/6435/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;.Vikings indeed were here on Aran:&amp;nbsp; they raided St. Cierans Monastery in the 9th Century (was the sudden Viking violence in response to Charlemagne's forced conversions and slaughter of Saxons in 782? See &lt;a href="http://germanyroadways.blogspot.com/2011/02/sachsenhain-saxons-grove-charlemagnes.html"&gt;http://germanyroadways.blogspot.com/2011/02/sachsenhain-saxons-grove-charlemagnes.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For the bus offerings inland on Aran, see &lt;a href="http://www.dunaonghastours.com/aran_islands_bus_tour/aran_islands_tour.html"&gt;http://www.dunaonghastours.com/aran_islands_bus_tour/aran_islands_tour.html&lt;/a&gt;. See the ruins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; If the Vikings did not stay to settle here, however, it is unlikely that their names survive. There are cormorants here, however, and the viking name for cormorant was skarfr or some variation. See &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheeptravel/4885794424/"&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheeptravel/4885794424/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6.&amp;nbsp; Language.&amp;nbsp; Linguistically, Gaelic has borrowed both words from the Norsemen. Scarf is used for cormorant in Orkney and Shetland also.&amp;nbsp; But Gaelic is more spoken here than on the mainland, or used to be before the tourism.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Irish (Gaelic) and English are the two official languages of Ireland. Irish is a Celtic (Indo-European) language, part of the Goidelic branch of insular Celtic (as are Scottish Gaelic and Manx). Irish evolved from the language brought to the island in the Celtic migrations between the sixth and the second century B.C.E.Despite hundreds of years of Norse and Anglo-Norman migration, by the sixteenth century Irish was the vernacular for almost all of the population of Ireland. The subsequent Tudor and Stuart conquests and plantations (1534–1610), the Cromwellian settlement (1654), the Williamite war (1689–1691), and the enactment of the Penal Laws (1695) began the long process of the subversion of the language."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Fair use quote.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Ireland.html%C2%A0%20Read"&gt;http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Ireland.html&amp;nbsp; &lt;/a&gt;Read more: &lt;a href="http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Ireland.html#ixzz1XNmY6CsY" style="color: #003399;"&gt;Culture of Ireland - history, people, clothing, traditions, women, beliefs, food, customs, family&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Ireland.html#ixzz1XNmY6CsY" style="color: #003399;"&gt;http://www.everyculture.com/Ge-It/Ireland.html#ixzz1XNmY6CsY&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7.&amp;nbsp; Sense of the remote. Arrive by ferry, and leave the car behind.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.visitaranislands.com/acc.html"&gt;http://www.visitaranislands.com/acc.html&lt;/a&gt; for directions, schedules.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We see that there is now a restaurant on a nearby, smaller Aran Island, on Inis Mean, and rooms are available.&amp;nbsp; See article, "Fresh and Wild," by Nicholas Lander, at Financial Times October 22-October 23, 2011 at Life and Arts section p. 7 &lt;a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/2ef67046-f9de-11e0-9c26-00144feab49a.html#axzz1faevIbP7"&gt;http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/2ef67046-f9de-11e0-9c26-00144feab49a.html#axzz1faevIbP7,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But -- yet again -- first see the film, &lt;i&gt;Man of Aran&lt;/i&gt;, 1934, at &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025456/"&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0025456/&lt;/a&gt;. Also at &lt;a href="http://www.irishfilm.net/blurbs/MOA.html"&gt;http://www.irishfilm.net/blurbs/MOA.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8.&amp;nbsp; Commerce.&amp;nbsp; Aran sweaters: &amp;nbsp; The people there are famous for their patterned sweaters, but whether or not those identified drowned bodies washing ashore is unclear.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/AEmblem/Sweaters.html"&gt;http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/AEmblem/Sweaters.html&lt;/a&gt;, now much copied.&amp;nbsp; Find sample patterns at &lt;a href="http://melbel.hubpages.com/hub/Aran-Sweaters"&gt;http://melbel.hubpages.com/hub/Aran-Sweaters.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best purchase:  Connemara socks.  Wool.  All sorts and mixes and colors. All over and at the airports.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9.&amp;nbsp; Vicissitudes. Our walking was limited by the mad-cow scare (we had to stay on the paths, and could not even go inland) but that left plenty to do on the roads. See &lt;a href="http://bamjam.net/Ireland/Aran.html"&gt;http://bamjam.net/Ireland/Aran.html&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115627533289611276?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115627533289611276/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115627533289611276' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115627533289611276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115627533289611276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/08/aran-islands-connemara-in-life-and-lit.html' title='Galway. ARAN ISLANDS, County Galway'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115091002890774038</id><published>2010-08-11T13:08:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-22T16:26:46.280-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mayo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Westport'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='county map'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Patrick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church ruins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croach Patrick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Mayo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prehistory'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mt. Croach'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='map of counties'/><title type='text'>Mayo. WESTPORT. COUNTY MAYO. Westport, Croach Patrick, County Mayo</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Westport. County Mayo.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Map of Modern Counties&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ancient History;&amp;nbsp;and Early Irish Ecclesiastical&amp;nbsp;History&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ruins&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This old map, 1998, shows the counties of the Republic of Ireland, and Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland remains&amp;nbsp; a constituent part of the United Kingdom. See the history of Northern Ireland and  "the Troubles" at &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/"&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Map_of_irish_counties1998.gif"&gt;&lt;img alt="File:Map of irish counties1998.gif" height="549" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Map_of_irish_counties1998.gif" width="459" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Ancient history in Mayo&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The far west of Ireland&amp;nbsp;is away from the fancies of Dublin, across moonlike rock scapes. Mayo is a county with vestiges of Mesolithic prehistory (people arrived in Ireland about 7000 BCE).  Hunters. See archeological sites, and an overview at &lt;a href="http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/History/FullHist.htm/"&gt;http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/History/FullHist.htm/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;Fast forward to 4000 BCE, the Neolithic.&amp;nbsp; A mere 3000 years. An agricultural people. Potters.&amp;nbsp; Weavers. Burying their dead in large tombs.&amp;nbsp; Then the Bronze Age, 200-400 BCE. It still is there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Common sight.&amp;nbsp; Celtic cross on the graves.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are so many.  How do people bury their dead. Go back to the prehistory.  Tombs in the Bronze Age came in four forms.&amp;nbsp; Find them pictured and discussed at &amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/seanchlocha1.htm#court"&gt;http://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/seanchlocha1.htm#court&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;court-tombs:&amp;nbsp; standing stones around an uncovered kind of plaza or central area, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;passage-tombs: a gallery&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;portal tombs: a doorway perhaps into a hill area&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;wedge-tombs&amp;nbsp;-- &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those forms eventually, as religions evolved and cultures melded, into a Celtic Cross.&amp;nbsp;A look at the mapping and outlines shows the elements. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"In the literature on archaeology, Irish megalithic tombs are divided in four classes: court-tombs, portal tombs, passage-tomb and wedge-tombs, each style named after its chief diagnostic feature. Each class of tomb probably represents a new major colonisation of the country by different groups of tomb-builders. The remains of some megalithic tombs are so badly damaged that they can not be accurately identified by type and are consequently recorded as unclassified megalithic tombs. Examples of all types decorate the Mayo landscape." &lt;/blockquote&gt;Fair use from a fine site, &lt;a href="http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/History/FullHist.htm/"&gt;http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/History/FullHist.htm/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/irechruinnwestportmayo.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="217" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/irechruinnwestportmayo.jpg" style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" width="400" /&gt;Westport, County Mayo, Ireland, church ruins&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Around Westport: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the back roads are many ruins of old churches with Celtic crosses, and rooms, and even artifacts. Celtic design is still used, see &lt;a href="http://www.celtarts.com/symbolism.htm"&gt;http://www.celtarts.com/symbolism.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The earliest Irish Christian Church was independent until the emerging&amp;nbsp;Roman branch asserted supremacy in 664 at the Council of Whitby&amp;nbsp;(the dispute was the "correct" date of Easter, a kind of artificial precision the early&amp;nbsp;Irish Christians could have cared less about).&amp;nbsp; The real incursion of the Roman branch came much later,&amp;nbsp;in the&amp;nbsp;1100's after the Roman Christian church had split with the Eastern Orthodox in 1054, see &lt;a href="http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Great_Schism"&gt;http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Great_Schism&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This newly on-its-own institution had to firm up its identity, get converts, establish power, get money, etc.&amp;nbsp; It aimed at Ireland after substantial success on the Continent with papal armies, Charlemagne, and starting the motivational crusades. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This site is wrong: &lt;a href="http://www.netplaces.com/irish-history/roman-catholic-church-in-ireland/before-the-reformation.htm"&gt;http://www.netplaces.com/irish-history/roman-catholic-church-in-ireland/before-the-reformation.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;All was not uniformly under the jurisdiction of Rome&amp;nbsp;since the start.&amp;nbsp;The Irish Christians were&amp;nbsp;largely&amp;nbsp;independent of Rome until Rome moved in with rules, monastic orders from the continent, established dioceses and archbishops for control, and barred many of the practices of the older Irish churches and monasteries. See, e.g., &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Saint Patrick's cult blooms, 680 or so. See timelines at &lt;a href="http://goireland.about.com/od/historyculture/qt/Irish-History-The-Middle-Ages-From-The-Synod-Of-Whitby-To-Dermot-Mcmurrough.htm"&gt;http://goireland.about.com/od/historyculture/qt/Irish-History-The-Middle-Ages-From-The-Synod-Of-Whitby-To-Dermot-Mcmurrough.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With Charlemagne's slaughter of the Saxons at Sachsenhain in about 782, and forced conversions with papal armies in tow, the Norse began attacking Christian institutions, monasteries.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; See timelines for a vast range of history at &lt;a href="http://goireland.about.com/od/historyculture/qt/Irish-History-A-Short-Timeline.htm"&gt;http://goireland.about.com/od/historyculture/qt/Irish-History-A-Short-Timeline.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Vikings were not the first to do so, however.&amp;nbsp; Others had long found easy pickings at the monasteries:&amp;nbsp; monasteries had been raiding monasteries, indigenous Irish had been raiding monasteries, warring was not uncommon among abbots, etc. for at least a hundred years before the Vikings, see &lt;a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm"&gt;http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; Ruins, ruins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the causes of specific ruins being ruined is not clear.&amp;nbsp; Vikings, other religious unrest, Cromwell, disinterest, famine years, the uprooting of the peasants, the clearances.&amp;nbsp; Many possibilities.&amp;nbsp; As you wander through, take care. There are no barriers to just going in. And no protections once there.&amp;nbsp; Watch your step, no railings, see your own crumbles before you step.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; The area thrives on St. Patrick.  See the life of this patron saint, and acknowledgement of cultural exaggerations, at &lt;a href="http://www.history.com/topics/who-was-saint-patrick"&gt;http://www.history.com/topics/who-was-saint-patrick&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; See more on St. Patrick at &lt;a href="http://irish.spike-jamie.com/stpatricksday.html"&gt;http://irish.spike-jamie.com/stpatricksday.html&lt;/a&gt;. This site also has music. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St. Patrick is said to have climbed the mountain known as Croach Patrick there.  It is a place of pilgrimage - St. Patrick in 441 is said to have been there for 40 days.  We did not climb up, but it is only two hours.  Many do it barefoot. See Mt. Croach at &lt;a href="http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/mt_croach.html/"&gt;http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/mt_croach.html/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115091002890774038?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115091002890774038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115091002890774038' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115091002890774038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115091002890774038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/westport-north-and-st-patrick-then.html' title='Mayo. 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Westport, Croach Patrick, County Mayo'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115097849561602560</id><published>2010-08-10T08:12:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T11:31:12.807-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='clooties well'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Saint Brigid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Westport'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Whitethorn Woods'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mother goddess'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Maeve Binchy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='healing wells'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='magic wells'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St Brigid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Mayo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hawthorn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='clooties'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacred'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacred well'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rag-tree'/><title type='text'>Mayo. WESTPORT, COUNTY MAYO. Westport: Magic, Sacred or Healing Wells, and springs - hawthorn</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Westport, Mayo&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Healing Well&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Rag Tree"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Explaining the inexplicable. The human endeavor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/magicwell.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/magicwell.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Sacred well.&amp;nbsp; Westport, County Mayo, Ireland. Healing Well&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Magic, and sacred,&amp;nbsp;areas remain&amp;nbsp;from old traditions. There are places where later religions, like the early&amp;nbsp;Irish Christians, or the later Roman Christians taking&amp;nbsp;over the earlier religious&amp;nbsp;places, some being Celtic.&amp;nbsp; Although the new&amp;nbsp;put the imprimatur of a new faith and name on an old sacred place, or new miracles or healings were said to occur there, the old remains&amp;nbsp;are there. See &lt;a href="http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/jsharkey.html"&gt;Celtic Mysteries, The Ancient Religion, by John Sharkey 1975 (US)&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Find there traces of even older spiritual and cultural sources, India for example, linked linquistically and in some religious ways with old Celts, p. 6.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Water as a first principle. The triple goddess reappearing as a trinity, blue as a favored color of the earth mother, adopted by the Marianists, fear of the devouring mother, p. 8 -- does that underlie the prohibition against female priests in a major western religion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find the sacred places, and stop.&amp;nbsp; There are niches, places for petitions, steps into blessed waters. Where supplications are granted, or may be. In Mayo is the Well of St. Brigid, with steps descending like this one.&amp;nbsp; Brigid was the mother goddess for the Celts, who could heal, and control fire and water.&amp;nbsp; She was Christianized as St. Brigid, but her patronage as patron saint of hearth, home and sacred wells remains.&amp;nbsp; See Celtic Mysteries, above, at figure 48.&amp;nbsp; See also &lt;a href="http://www.druidry.org/obod/deities/brigid.html"&gt;http://www.druidry.org/obod/deities/brigid.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Look closely at these sacred wells, from Ireland.  One, the pool with the descending steps, has a sign nearby that indicates it had been an ancient healing well, that later Christians incorporated into their church beliefs.  It is near Westport.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And; and the other, a "rag-tree." A place for hanging "clooties", Sharkey at 83. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;A clootie is a piece of clothing, or a strip, even a bit of hair, related to a person in need of healing or the deliverance from a burden, see &lt;a href="http://www.writingthevision.com/thinplaces/celticspiritualityglossary.htm"&gt;http://www.writingthevision.com/thinplaces/celticspiritualityglossary.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For Scots, it has become a dumpling, like a fruity pudding in a little package, see &lt;a href="http://www.clooties.co.uk/products.html"&gt;http://www.clooties.co.uk/products.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/iremagicspring.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="640" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/iremagicspring.jpg" style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" width="418" /&gt;Sacred well. Rag tree at healing well, County Mayo, Ireland.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We came across several, on back roads, little springs and wells in the middle of other ruins, or on their own with small pieces of cloth fluttering on the branches around. Those represent, we were told, the prayers, pleas of the people. A prayer tree, a vestige of the old, the old living, &amp;nbsp;but not to the later gods that took over.&amp;nbsp; Look closely for the bits of cloth, the clooties.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The twiggy one we found&amp;nbsp;was also on a back road. It looked like a hawthorne, but we were there in March, too early for spring, before buds were out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hard to see here, but look closely. See Ireland's sacred wells at llewellynjournal.com/article/713.  About midway down the site, read about leaving little votive offerings, a bit of cloth perhaps. Invoke whatever spirit or healing is needed, tie the bit on, say your words and tiptoe away. Does the disease sigh away with the faded cloth?  See the place of wells in the Celtic world at &lt;a href="http://geocities.com/Athens/Troy/7080/wellstext.html"&gt;http://geocities.com/Athens/Troy/7080/wellstext.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Celtic Ireland has much to say for it.  Saint Brigid - who invented whistling and keening, says &lt;a href="http://realmagick.com/articles/07/1807.html"&gt;http://realmagick.com/articles/07/1807.html&lt;/a&gt;; and whose fires were kept burning until the institutional church extinguished them, with so much else, in the 13th century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This topic of healing wells is the linchpin of the 2006 novel by author Maeve Binchy, "Whitethorn Woods," see &lt;a href="http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/b/maeve-binchy/whitethorn-woods.htm"&gt;http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/b/maeve-binchy/whitethorn-woods.htm&lt;/a&gt;.  Is the bush here a whitethorn?&amp;nbsp; Acacia albida.&amp;nbsp; Hawthorns are said to have healing qualities. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_hawthorn"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_hawthorn&lt;/a&gt;.  Save the trees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img height="225" id="il_fi" src="http://divine-ogham.com/users/ogham/trees/hawthorn.jpg" style="padding-bottom: 8px; padding-right: 8px; padding-top: 8px;" width="300" /&gt;Hawthorne: See Ancient Celtic Tree-Wisdom at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://divine-ogham.com/pages/readings/trees"&gt;http://divine-ogham.com/pages/readings/trees&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Fairies live under them. See &lt;a href="http://doon.mayo-ireland.ie/hawthorn.html"&gt;http://doon.mayo-ireland.ie/hawthorn.html&lt;/a&gt;. Believe and it will&amp;nbsp;be so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115097849561602560?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115097849561602560/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115097849561602560' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115097849561602560'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115097849561602560'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/magic-or-healing-wells.html' title='Mayo. WESTPORT, COUNTY MAYO. Westport: Magic, Sacred or Healing Wells, and springs - hawthorn'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2810427481726079628</id><published>2010-07-25T17:09:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T10:15:50.661-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Noh influence on Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='At The Hawk&apos;s Well'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Maude Gonne'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='notebook'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='exhibit Literature'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='W. B. Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cuchulainn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='National Library'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dublin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sligo'/><title type='text'>Sligo. LITERATURE. Poet W. B. Yeats,  Maude Gonne - Notebook, National Library, Dublin</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;William Butler Yeats and Maude Gonne&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Sligo: the Town, and the County&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;Yeats, 1865-1939,&amp;nbsp;poet, playwright. teller of tales, philosopher,&amp;nbsp;spent most of his time between Sligo, Dublin, and London.&amp;nbsp;See biography at &lt;a href="http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/"&gt;http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; He is still at the forefront of events, this time as a lookback at his work and relationships.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Yeats'&amp;nbsp; lesser known work, "At the Hawk's Well,", and its evolution into different cultural expressions; and&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oY78YawjZ8E/TpRGxwiHVMI/AAAAAAAAMtU/uAIqS7b74X8/s1600/magicwell.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oY78YawjZ8E/TpRGxwiHVMI/AAAAAAAAMtU/uAIqS7b74X8/s320/magicwell.jpg" width="199" /&gt;A sacred well, County Mayo, on way to Sligo, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;a personal relationship. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Meet the poet, W. B. Yeats, for William Butler Yeats, and "beautiful, brainy feminist Irish revolutionary and object of Yeats' infatuation across five decades...."&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;He is buried at Sligo. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;......................................................................&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;a.&amp;nbsp; A lesser known work of Yeats: &amp;nbsp;"At The Hawk's Well", see this 1918 one-act play, a hybrid of Japanese Noh and other forms, including Celtic myth, see &lt;a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/40284/At-the-Hawks-Well"&gt;http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/40284/At-the-Hawks-Well&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and the review of its interpretation with dance by Garrett Fisher,&amp;nbsp;at &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/arts/music/22fisher.html"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/arts/music/22fisher.html&lt;/a&gt;. Cuchulain comes upon a man who spent half a century at a well seeking its immortality, but the waters are guarded by a guardian, a hawklike woman. Find a 1902 Cuchulain by Lady Gregory, also part of Yeats' circle, at &lt;a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/cuch/"&gt;http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/cuch/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This particular event cannot be traced to Cuchulain, see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=qXW0MgIfQEYC&amp;amp;pg=PA79&amp;amp;lpg=PA79&amp;amp;dq=cuchulain+magic+well+immortality+hawk&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=xtFT2RfGzE&amp;amp;sig=buT0PpyCyTlFzFZ29wwaeYrH1c4&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=Z1SUTsjGHebj0QHrxdS_Bw&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=cuchulain%20magic%20well%20immortality%20hawk&amp;amp;f=false"&gt;google book, Tumult of Images, Essays on WB Yeats and Politics, p.79,&lt;/a&gt; ed. Liebregts and Van De Camp. But there are allusions to other legends, easily crossed over .It may be an initiatory rite. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dry well, leaves, allude, allude.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Pursue the Noh influence on Yeats, Apparently it was Ezra Pound who introduced Yeats to the Noh form. Yeats then portrayed a part of the Cuchulain saga, mythical Irish hero, using the strict stylistic and formal movements of Noh. Cuchulain: Cuh-&lt;em&gt;hool&lt;/em&gt;-in, with a gutteral "h", see &lt;a href="http://adminstaff.vassar.edu/sttaylor/Cooley/pronunciation.html"&gt;http://adminstaff.vassar.edu/sttaylor/Cooley/pronunciation.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Yeats-Fisher&amp;nbsp;work includes haikus by Basho (find some at &lt;a href="http://thegreenleaf.co.uk/hp/basho/00bashohaiku.htm"&gt;http://thegreenleaf.co.uk/hp/basho/00bashohaiku.htm&lt;/a&gt;)&amp;nbsp;and Buson (see &lt;a href="http://thegreenleaf.co.uk/hp/buson/00buson.htm"&gt;http://thegreenleaf.co.uk/hp/buson/00buson.htm&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp; In addition to the Noh flautist and drummers 3, Yeats instead used a drum, gong and zither. &amp;nbsp;The Fisher production reviewed at the NYT used a harmonium, flutes, an acoustic bass and percussionist. How did I miss that performance?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;b. Complex personal life.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The relationship Yeats wanted with Maude Gonne&amp;nbsp;of Sligo&amp;nbsp;(she did not reciprocate in the same way, see &lt;a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/william-butler-yeats"&gt;http://www.answers.com/topic/william-butler-yeats&lt;/a&gt;)&amp;nbsp;lives on. Even after Ms. Gonne's husband died, she turned down his proposal, he proposed to her daughter and was also turned down, and then married Miss George Hyde-Less, &lt;a href="http://www.notablebiographies.com/We-Z/Yeats-William-Butler.html"&gt;http://www.notablebiographies.com/We-Z/Yeats-William-Butler.html&lt;/a&gt;; or Hyde Lees. Life, complexities, how can you keep from reading. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Recent: July 20, 2008. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/arts/design/20dwye.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=July%2020,%202008%20Yeats&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/arts/design/20dwye.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=July%2020,%202008%20Yeats&amp;amp;st=cse#&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;New York Times article,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;"Yeats Meets the Digital Age, Full of Passionate Intensity."&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Gonne had given him a particular white notebook in 1908. Yeats kept entries of their mystical-type (apparently not focused on bedding) relationship, interests in the "occult" and each as to the other. The exhibit is a large one, this notebook of Yeats' only a small part. And there are some 38 yards of shelving with notes and papers. Time to go back&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;See also article&amp;nbsp;regarding his uncommon marriage, there listed to&amp;nbsp;Georgie Hyde Lees (this by way of update) see &lt;a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/0319/1224292565841.html"&gt;http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/0319/1224292565841.html&lt;/a&gt;. She was 24, he was 52.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;As to Maud Gonne, read of the visions, reported to the other, desire, letters taped into it as well, it is on display at the National Library in Dublin - a single page displayed, pristine, and the rest digitally reproduced so the viewer can tap through. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;There was a similar display at the Louvre a few years ago, with Leonardo da Vinci's notebooks - a room of computers around the periphery of the dark room, and people exploring and so quiet. Perhaps the Library in Dublin has set a similar reverential place for the muse. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;We read that there are intimate spaces for film viewing, tapes of readers aloud.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeats - A man of many aspects:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;spoke against the ban on divorce,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;was a member of Irish Senate, noting that many of Ireland's greatest were Protestant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Again, back to Maude Gonne - he wrote a play for her to act as lead, "The Countess Kathleen," but Gonne would not take part. There are many twists to her life.&amp;nbsp; It is a pity that her large house at Coole is gone, the plae is now a park.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2810427481726079628?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2810427481726079628/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2810427481726079628' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2810427481726079628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2810427481726079628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2008/08/poet-w-b-yeats-and-maude-gonne-notebook.html' title='Sligo. LITERATURE. Poet W. B. Yeats,  Maude Gonne - Notebook, National Library, Dublin'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oY78YawjZ8E/TpRGxwiHVMI/AAAAAAAAMtU/uAIqS7b74X8/s72-c/magicwell.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115090827171415541</id><published>2010-07-24T12:39:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-09T11:38:48.853-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lough Gill'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Innisfree'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='W.B.Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Parke&apos;s Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='William Butler Yeats'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tiernan O&apos;Rourke'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='King of Beifne'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norman invasion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lake Isle of Innisfree'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sligo'/><title type='text'>Sligo, Lough Gill, Innisfree, Yeats, County Sligo</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sligo, Lough Gill, Innisfree, Parke's Castle&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/ireparkescastle1609loughgillsligo.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="185" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/ireparkescastle1609loughgillsligo.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" width="400" /&gt;Sligo, Ireland, Lough Gill, Parke's Castle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Parke's Castle (1609) on Lough Gill, looks over&amp;nbsp;The Isle of Innisfree. Hear Celtic Woman, Orla, singing about it with her harp:  &lt;a href="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/072006/07272006/209192"&gt;http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/072006/07272006/209192&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Lake Isle of Innisfree  is the subject of W.B.Yeats' poem - &amp;nbsp;"I will arise now, and go there...." Read it in its entirety at Bartleby - &lt;a href="http://www.bartleby.com/103/44.html"&gt;http://www.bartleby.com/103/44.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The Lough is partially in County Sligo, and partially in County Leitrim.&amp;nbsp; We understand that the Castle is in County Leitrim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Parke's Castle as it is seen now dates from the 17th Century, but this area has a long history. This account fails to note the role of the Gregorian Reforms as to the Irish Church in facilitating the invasion of the English (who then&amp;nbsp;never left), but the outline is as follows, related to Lough Gill:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;700's -- Clan of Ui Ruairc (later O'Rourke) are descended from a King of Connacht.&amp;nbsp; The Kingdom of Breifne, was located on borders of Connacht, Leinster and Ulster, see map at&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1054, the Roman branch of the Christian Church split from the Eastern Orthodox, over a "filioque" clause in liturgy, and because the Orthodox did not recognize the Pope as Primary, First, etc.&amp;nbsp; Thereafter, the Pope(s) embarked on campaigns theologically and as to property, to establish the new identity of western Christianity as Pope-centered.&amp;nbsp; In the 1100's, areas that had been traditionally Irish Church local, monasteries with close family ties to those in the area,&amp;nbsp;theologically varying, few rules binding all together, were invaded by the large&amp;nbsp;monastic Orders from the Continent, with Rules, and soon came Bishops and Archbishops and Diocesan organization imposed, with Rome taking jurisdiction.&amp;nbsp; It was not an easy transition.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Irish Christianity had been long established, see Timeline at &lt;a href="http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm"&gt;http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/timeline%20gregorian%20reform.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the late 1000's came the Gregorian Reforms geared to establish this new Church as a militant one, centralized, including&amp;nbsp;formal justification for Crusades, and&amp;nbsp;setting the stage for the&amp;nbsp;Church to aggressively change the world -- a military, killing. See entry 1096-1099 - killing in the name of the church carries no criminal consequence.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; See entry at Timeline for 1073:&amp;nbsp; no more would Christianity withdraw from the world, it would march to establish a rightful order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, in the 1100's, the King of Breifne, Tiernan O'Rourke, competed with the King of Leinster, Dermot MacMurrough Kavanagh, to be High King.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile again, King Tiernan's wife was Devorgilla, and she and King Dermot had a two-year affair, the tale tells, on the shores of this very Lough Gill. Other versions say she was abducted,&amp;nbsp; but willingly. See &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1166 --&amp;nbsp; The High Kingship had gone to O'Connor (need to check) and O'Rourke and the "Ostmen" of Dublin (who?) joined forces against Dermot, removing him from the throne.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Dermot fled to Wales (we thought it was England).&amp;nbsp; This tale has him returning at that point with the English&lt;em&gt; Strongbow&lt;/em&gt;; to get his lands back, and in exchange he would arrange for&amp;nbsp;Strongbow to marry Dermot's daughter, &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/ocastle.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This was the beginning of the invasion of Ireland by the English.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Dermot died 1171, and the English Strongbow took over the kingship of Leinster, itself contrary to Brehon law. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Left out of this account:&amp;nbsp; Pope Adrian, see &lt;a href="http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/adrianiv.html"&gt;http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/adrianiv.html&lt;/a&gt;, &amp;nbsp;had wanted to strengthen his church's&amp;nbsp;hold on Ireland, and&amp;nbsp;issued a Bull whereby Henry II (a Norman)&amp;nbsp;of England had permission to invade Ireland as part of the Gregorian Reform for Christian warfare, and&amp;nbsp;in order to serve these ecclesiastical ends.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;Henry, after he was finished with a war in France, met with Dermot, agreed to help(or went on his own to the Pope, see &lt;a href="http://www.suite101.com/content/the-life-of-henry-ii-a259431"&gt;http://www.suite101.com/content/the-life-of-henry-ii-a259431&lt;/a&gt;, and authorized Strongbow's invasion, that by derivation had been authorized by the Pope.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;But, there was no real basis for the&amp;nbsp;Pope's claim to Ireland at all - a trumped up "Donation of Constantine" did the trick.&amp;nbsp; One of history's most concealed forgeries, &lt;a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/133843/Donation-of-Constantine"&gt;http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/133843/Donation-of-Constantine&lt;/a&gt; in the sense of not being well known, because it de-legitimizes Henry's claim. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Point as to Lough Gill:&amp;nbsp; The romance of the Lough led to this&amp;nbsp;very Helen of Troy tale, warring over a stolen woman, deceits. The seeds of the Anglo - Norman invasion of Ireland, right here. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the site has been O'Rourke for centuries, this one&amp;nbsp;built in 1609, and others thereafter added. See &lt;a href="http://www.of-ireland.info/castles/parkes.html"&gt;http://www.of-ireland.info/castles/parkes.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Its style is described as a "fortified manor house with stone bawn enclosure."&amp;nbsp; The courtyard and other areas date from a far eaelier date,&amp;nbsp;1100's.&amp;nbsp; That would be the King of Beifne, Tiernan O'Rourke.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115090827171415541?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115090827171415541/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115090827171415541' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090827171415541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090827171415541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/yeats-country-sligo-and-gort-lough.html' title='Sligo, Lough Gill, Innisfree, Yeats, County Sligo'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115739618819383223</id><published>2010-06-24T14:53:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-22T10:47:18.680-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Glengeen Lodge'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='William Brien'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Margaret Hilliard'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trillich'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Louise Lucinda Hilliard'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Tyrone'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trillick'/><title type='text'>Tyrone.  Trillick,  County Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Brien - Hilliard.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;County Tyrone, Trillick&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Little, Ancient, Trillick&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Trelic Mor -- Three Standing Stones&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;My Grandmother came from Trillick.&amp;nbsp; Louisa Lucinda Hilliard Brien.&amp;nbsp; July 12, 1877-November 2, 1963.&amp;nbsp; Sometimes the name is given as Louise Lucinda, or Lucinda Louise. She is an enigma; an illegitimate daughter of the area wealthy person, but acknowledged.&amp;nbsp; But too proud to bend.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;She was too proud to develop a lasting relationship with that father, William Brien of Glengeen Lodge, also Trillick. Her mother had worked as part of the household staff at Glengeen.&amp;nbsp; Upstairs Downstairs right in the family.&amp;nbsp; Or is there another explanation for Grandma's rejection of Brien.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;My great-grandmother, Margaret Hilliard of Main Street, Trillick, was only 13 or 14 and working in Glengeen Lodge when Mr.&amp;nbsp; Brien asserted his "entitlement."&amp;nbsp; Yet, he supported her and her child, and followed them both to New York, visiting several times, seeking a connection.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/louiseandbrien.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/louiseandbrien.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Louise Lucinda Hilliard (Brien) of Trillick, with father, William Brien. Glengeen Lodge, Trillick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Louisa Brien's hand is on Mr. Brien's shoulder here;&amp;nbsp; but her rejection of him as he  followed her and her mother is reflected in letters and documents now  being organized by a cousin, all of us interested.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Grandma:&amp;nbsp; she was  proud, had a backbone of iron, and had a childhood of, what, humiliation?&amp;nbsp; Not necessarily.&amp;nbsp; Who knows. He sent her to a fine school in Enniskillen, where she did extremely well. He tried to make good, we think. What did Trillick think? Did anyone care?&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;What was  Trillick like for her and her mother, a Hilliard from Main Street;&amp;nbsp; and for the rest of the Hilliards after Maggie had her baby.&amp;nbsp; Cultures. Customs. An era also an enigma.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;William Brien is listed in 1910 at the Ireland Libraries site for Ulster Towns&amp;nbsp; Directory, at Glengeen, with a&amp;nbsp;John Brien; see &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Trillick.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Trillick.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Glengeen Lodge:&amp;nbsp; fair use overview of its heritage, from the Trillick website at &lt;a href="http://www.trillick.org/history.htm.d"&gt;http://www.trillick.org/history.htm.d&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; But first, the flight of the Earls 1607, out of Lough Swilly, Donegal"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;The flight of the Earls:&amp;nbsp;see &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/tv/programmes/flightoftheearls/"&gt;http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/tv/programmes/flightoftheearls/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; and &lt;a href="http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/earls.shtm"&gt;http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/earls.shtm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;There went Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone; and Rory O'Connell, Earl of Tyrconnell.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Ulster's historical hereditary leaders fled to Europe, upon defeats by the English in their takeover of Ireland.&amp;nbsp; That left the Ulster lands open and no longer bound by the old inheritances.&amp;nbsp; Enter, England: and changes to Trillick.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"After the flight of the Earls from Lough Swilly on 4 September, 1607, and the division of their escheated lands, the O'Neill territory here was given the description of the Manor of Stowy and allotted to Sir Mervyn Tuchet in 1611. He passed them to his cousin, Sir Henry Mervyn of Hampshire, who in turn passed them to his son, Captain James Mervyn. He arrived here around 1620, began building a castle which was completed in 1628 and the new town of Trillick was completed in the 1630s. A court was established, a weekly market and a fair on 3 May. The castle was described as one of the best of its kind and was occupied up to the 1800s, being vacant in 1814. It had then passed to General Mervyn Archdale, who built the hunting lodge at Glengeen. The Mervyns were noted parliamentarians, holding the Tyrone seat in Parliament from 1639 to 1747 and Captain Audley Mervyn being Speaker of the Irish Parliament from 1661 to 1666."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Name variations:&amp;nbsp; Grandma is listed as Lucinda Louise on the second-class passage ticket to New York (Did Mr. Brien pay?).  At her time of the crossing, however, she was only 18. &amp;nbsp; Until her marriage, then, there is a gap of some 8 years. She lists a New York address on her marriage certificate. Next trip to NY, find it. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Mr. Brien did well by his obligations, even though he did not have to. Heprovided an income, and stocks, we understand, for Louisa and her mother, Margaret Hilliard.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Others living with them in New York were a&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://americaroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/new-york-new-york-city.html"&gt;James Hilliard&lt;/a&gt; (died in the flu epidemic, buried in the McConaghy plot, Woodlawn Cemetery, NY, with Grandma and her husband, Robert McClure McConaghy).&amp;nbsp; Would that be a younger brother of Grandma? born about 1897; and died the same year as her own son Robbie, age 6, in the flu epidemic in NY; and a Frances Hilliard also lived with them; born about 1870.&amp;nbsp; Frances with es -- a woman?&amp;nbsp; Sister? Aunt?&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Louisa married, Robert McClure McConaghy of Donegal but then in NY, and the income and stocks from Mr. Brien were provided, we understand, on an ongoing basis.&amp;nbsp; Louisa-Louise supported herself&amp;nbsp;and her&amp;nbsp;five children after the sudden&amp;nbsp;death of her husband, Robert McConaghy, then in his 40's.&amp;nbsp; Then, then, and then.&amp;nbsp; Then came the Crash 1929. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Soon there was nothing. A cousin, Dorothy, is researching more. Any family has an equal number of forebears - and twists, but learning about them is a window into history and gives goads to travel. Good goads.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;Trillick:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Four thousand years of history show in Trillick and its areas.&amp;nbsp; Celts and beyond. See &lt;a href="http://www.trillick.org/history.htm"&gt;http://www.trillick.org/history.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Trillick was home to family, a high end, and a commoner end; the maternal half, the&amp;nbsp;Hilliards,&amp;nbsp;since emigrated or deceased we think.&amp;nbsp; The paternal, the William Brien family of Glengeen Lodge, to us "the big house", are apparently still there. But do they know of us? Probably not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-31D5BToiVqc/TmpP05xvh2I/AAAAAAAAMqA/Pot5I1Zi2UY/s320/scan0028.jpg" width="214" /&gt;Main Street, Trillick, Tyrone, Ireland&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hilliards had lived on Main Street, I understand. Margaret, a daughter, at 13 went to work at the big house, Glengeen Lodge.&amp;nbsp; At 14, she had a baby by William Brien, then 38. With all that, he acknowledged them both, and supported both, even following them to New York maintaining contacts.&amp;nbsp; At her marriage, my grandmother, Louisa Lucinda, here listed as Louise, named the surname as Brien. Was she adopted by then?&amp;nbsp;But Margaret would not marry, and probably he was not in a position to do so anyway, not from Glengeen. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On her steamship ticket, I believe Louisa was Lucinda Louisa Hilliard Brien. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BJlqhY3BkQo/TmpRPtAAZFI/AAAAAAAAMqE/8o3sp-A45GA/s1600/scan0017.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BJlqhY3BkQo/TmpRPtAAZFI/AAAAAAAAMqE/8o3sp-A45GA/s320/scan0017.jpg" width="265" /&gt;Marriage certificate, Louise Lucinda Brien and Robert McClure McConaghy 1904, New York, New York&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7pQARWnig5I/TmpMeZAyOXI/AAAAAAAAMp0/XNMBgZCXncI/s1600/scan0018.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="216" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7pQARWnig5I/TmpMeZAyOXI/AAAAAAAAMp0/XNMBgZCXncI/s320/scan0018.jpg" width="320" /&gt;Entry sign, Trillick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7VALqwoQJGo/TmpMni3JjMI/AAAAAAAAMp8/3zLUdxjWt9U/s1600/scan0025.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="216" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7VALqwoQJGo/TmpMni3JjMI/AAAAAAAAMp8/3zLUdxjWt9U/s320/scan0025.jpg" width="320" /&gt;Back mews, Trillick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0001.7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0001.7.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Family, Trillick, Ireland.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks to this family, and we do have their name, for a welcome, and afternoon tea at their farm. A wedding was pending: we wish them all happiness.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115739618819383223?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115739618819383223/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115739618819383223' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115739618819383223'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115739618819383223'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/trillick-and-tunnys-why-we-travel-as-2.html' title='Tyrone.  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Brien - Hilliard.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-31D5BToiVqc/TmpP05xvh2I/AAAAAAAAMqA/Pot5I1Zi2UY/s72-c/scan0028.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115091036469173525</id><published>2010-06-19T13:14:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-20T13:02:30.364-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Glengeen Lodge'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Surnames'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McClure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Robert Brien'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rev. Joseph McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mc and Mac'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='William Brien'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brien'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Donegal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geneology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Robert McClure McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marjorie McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Johnston'/><title type='text'>Donegal.  St Johnston.  Mc and Mac. Family Roots</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Donegal&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;County&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;St. Johnstone&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;St. Johnstone, St Johnston, and Strabane, Donegal. Strabane straddles Donegal and Tyrone, Donegal in the Republic, Tyrone in Northern Ireland. These areas are the roots place of my grandparents, Robert McClure McConaghy, who married&amp;nbsp;Louise (Louisa) Lucinda Hilliard (Brien) once they were both in the United States, and older than many newlyweds - she was 26, he was 28. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;We found past folk among&amp;nbsp;rainbows in Donegal.&amp;nbsp; There are McConaghy clergy, Protestant, going back to the 1800's there.&amp;nbsp; This vehicle stops for rainbows.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Irestjohnstonchdonegalrainhow.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="265" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Irestjohnstonchdonegalrainhow.jpg" style="margin-top: 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/Irestjohnstonchdonegalrainhow.jpg"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;St. Johnston, Ireland, County Donegal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;If you have Irish roots, you are lucky in that Irish tax money was expended to hire people to digitize graveyard and church records.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;The towns have record books, and there are computerized records for getting information in advance: births, deaths, marriages, burials, even immigration; at least back to the beginning of the record books. See &lt;a href="http://www.%20irishgenealogy.ie/gravestones/index.cfm"&gt;http://www. irishgenealogy.ie/gravestones/index.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://./"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or, go into archives for obituaries.&amp;nbsp; Here the the obituary for the Rev. Joseph McConaghy, died 1875, at FN 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surnames.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;All on the net. See &lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/irenames.htm"&gt;http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/ihm/irenames.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mc and Mac.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We tried to find every residence name or place that is mentioned in old family papers. Mc or Mac - they apparently have the same roots. see &lt;a href="http://www.irishroots.com/id4608.htm"&gt;http://www.irishroots.com/id4608.htm.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/a&gt;See also &lt;a href="http://www.scottishhistory.com/articles/misc/macvsmc.html"&gt;http://www.scottishhistory.com/articles/misc/macvsmc.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The Mc or Mac does not necessarily differentiate between Scots and Irish, or Protestant or Catholic.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;The oldest Irish were known as "Scotties" - they went across the water and settled in Scotland, rather than the other way around.&amp;nbsp; They went back and forth for thousands of years. Find the Scotti among the oldest groups at &lt;a href="http://www.tartanplace.com/tartanlegend/celtictribesireland.html"&gt;http://www.tartanplace.com/tartanlegend/celtictribesireland.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; For details, see the Manageable Timeline here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/momdotdad.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/momdotdad.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Robert McClure McConaghy, NJ, 1922 or so, with daughters, Dorothy and Marjorie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Midsummer Night's Dreamlike - with somebody's backyard brownie camera.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...........................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1&amp;nbsp; Newspaper clipping, pasted into a Session Book at the Saint Johnston Presbyterian Church 1876&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Death of the Rev. Joseph McConaghy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the last day of the past year the Rev. Joseph McConaghy died at his residence Dundee, St. Johnston and thus another able and zealous member of the olden band of ministers has passed away.&amp;nbsp; He was born at Greenhills near Raphoe in the year 1811 so that at his death he was in his 65th year.&amp;nbsp; His preliminary education was received at the Raphoe Royal School afterwards studying under Rev. Mr. Fullerton, Rector of Stranorlar.&amp;nbsp; Amongst his school fellows at Raphoe was Isaac Butt, Esq. M.P.&amp;nbsp; On entering the University of Glasgow the celebrated Sir Daniel Sandford became his instructor and in the list of his fellow students was the late Dr. Norman M'Leod, Chaplain to Her Majesty the Queen, also editor of "Good Words", and the present Primate of all England, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Tait.&amp;nbsp; Another of his fellow students was the deceased Dr. Edward Dill, author of Ireland's "Curse and Cure", etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He entered the Divinity Hall under the famous Dr. Stevenson M'Gill and after completing his Divinity course was licenced by the Irish Presbyterian Church and ordained in the congregation of St Johnston on 16th day of December 1834.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus for the long period of 42 years he was a hard-working efficient minister highly beloved and esteemed, not only by the members of his own congregation, but by all classes and creeds who had the pleasure of his acquaintance.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Like his friend and brother minister, the late Dr. John Wray of Convoy, he had a wonderful knowledge of most diseases to which the human frame is subject and turning this knowledge to account, he was enabled to alleviate much pain and suffering throughout the entire neighborhood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is consequently no hyperbole to affirm that a character so distinguished, obliging and pious can be badly spared amongst us.&amp;nbsp; Nor is it by any means wonderful when as in his case, the golden bowl broke, and the silver cord&amp;nbsp; snapped, many, very many, real mourners were going about the streets."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/Donegalrbow.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/Donegalrbow.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Rainbow, St. Johnstone, Donegal, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the  same rainbow - just wouldn't fade away-  right there in Donegal itself, it is. And pot of gold.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115091036469173525?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115091036469173525/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115091036469173525' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115091036469173525'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115091036469173525'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/trillick-roots-county-tyrone-st.html' title='Donegal.  St Johnston.  Mc and Mac. Family Roots'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2193227433588880378</id><published>2010-03-12T17:57:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T11:00:33.514-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ancient tribes in Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nennius'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tralee'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grave of Queen Scotia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Princess Scota'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Queen Scota'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Red Hand of Ulster'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scotia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hebrews'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Milesians'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tuatha de  Denaan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scota'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zahar'/><title type='text'>TRALEE, Queen Scotia and Slieve Mish, Scota. Mountain Grave. An Irish Big Dig</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;THE IRISH BIG DIG&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;for Scota.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Queen Scotia&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Big Web Dig&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;for Irish Pre-History Tribal Origins&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scota as ancestor of the Milesians, see &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~kthomas/history/History3.htm"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~kthomas/history/History3.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;This is our Web Dig, to find the origins and attributes of Queen Scotia, Scota, Sgota. There is a grave with that identification-indications of name, as she was buried in antiquity and with Egyptian hieroglyphs, they say,&amp;nbsp; as befits the Pharaoh's daughter that she apparently was.&amp;nbsp; This is near Tralee, at the Slieve Mish Mountains, the range in the central area at the beginning of the Dingle Peninsula, western Ireland. Our interest then moves to other sources supporting the idea of this lady and her people peopling Ireland, at &lt;a href="http://www.plainmeaning.blogspot.com/"&gt;Plain Meaning, Origin Stories&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scholars and regular folk&amp;nbsp;are interested.&amp;nbsp; See this large site, and track the Milesian connection alleged, &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~kthomas/history.htm"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~kthomas/history.htm&lt;/a&gt;, a site also for vetting Scota tales. Scota, Scotia.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;1. For a quick look at a folk-literature summary of the Scots connection,  and information at those sites, see  &lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/caledonia-scotia-and-scotland-before.html"&gt;Caledonia,  Queen Scotia, and Scotland&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Queen Scotia's husband had been killed  while fighting Ireland's famed Tuatha de Denaan, and Scotia, a warrior  herself, led the troops against the Tuatha-de &lt;i&gt;herself,&lt;/i&gt; with her  sons, and prevailed.&amp;nbsp; See her as a figurehead on a 19th Century Scots  brig that was shipwrecked off Cornwall, The Caledonia. No wild woman,  that.&amp;nbsp; Fair use thumbnail from &lt;a href="http://www.panoramio.com/"&gt;www.panoramio.com&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img class="resultThumbnail" src="http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1251355994781&amp;amp;id=334d1013483799137d74f7464e9ba819" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;We want to know Scota's origins, her place in prehistory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;She and her husband and their group fought (both were warriors) the old Tuath de Denaan of prehistory; was there a connection between their heritage, and /or the mysterious Tuath-de, that tie into migrations from the ancient Middle East. As an individual Queen:&amp;nbsp; We want to know her accomplishments. There are numerous tales, with variations, and we track some of those. What commonalities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Was she merely a King's wife, in the same kind of patriarchal system that smothers us, and the mother of six sons who went on to rule Ireland; who was an accomplished horsewoman who died trying to leap a stream-bank while pregnant on her horse and falling off. And so she died. See ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia%27s_Grave/&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;If that is all there is, why do we find references to her and her Milesian people, that tie her people from ancient&amp;nbsp; Palestine and the Old Testament (yes!) and a tribe of Hebrews (not "Jews" at that time) who migrated through Egypt (perhaps) to Spain (Iberia - Eber- Hebrew) and from there to Ireland, Hibernia. The "Scotti" of Ireland (roots of Scotia?) went to Scotland, gave it their name, and the groups went back and forth for millennia. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sources include: "The histories of England, Wales, and Scotland, even Ireland also, were intertwined in ancient times such that the whole British Isles, due to the proximity of the islands, then shared a common British history, with common elements in the population of the islands, until the time of the Roman conquest of a large part of Britain ...." See the account at &lt;i&gt;The British Chronicles &lt;/i&gt;Book 1, by David Hughes, 2007 ://www.heritagebooks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Store_Code=HBI&amp;amp;Product_Code=H3301&amp;amp;Category_Code/ at page 43.&amp;nbsp; As to Picts: "&amp;nbsp; ...Credne is remembered in Irish tradition as the leader of the migration of the majority of the &lt;i&gt;Irish Picts from Ireland to Scotland&lt;/i&gt; (emphasis added) during the Gaelic Conquest of Ireland, whence their name." See page 46. See portions at the google book http://books.google.com/books?id=QnDtohOe8-QC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=The+british+chronicles&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=NSFqWyDkJF&amp;amp;sig=ok0FHDQf_-QgbNiinuc-BUemEGY&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=PeWbS6qbGoP48Aal9v2UDg&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=3&amp;amp;ved=0CA8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false/.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;So, were Picts in Ireland first (having come from the Orkneys and Hebrides or some such earlier) and did they fight Scota's group as Scota &amp;amp; Co. invaded; and then the pressured Picts headed (some) to Scotland; and then so did the Scotti or Scotii; and who was the Tuatha de Denaan that we understand that Scotia and group fought. The Picts?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What support is there for a migration route from the eastern Mediterranean to Ireland through Spain, and were they one of the Hebrew tribes; or counted instead (or in addition) from descendants of (here goes) &lt;i&gt;Noah.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt; A medieval source, Nennius 8th Century (look up Medieval Sourcebook), ties in groups from Spain to Ireland, and matches the moving groups with Old Testament timing - see FN 1 (open source). &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;2,&amp;nbsp; For those of us new to this, it is confusing. Who? Which? Either? If the stories are irreconcilable, fine. Look at place names for history. This is ongoing - the Isle of Man, between the Irish Sea and Solway Firth, Scotland, and north England, would be a natural stop-off for people going back and forth and even arriving.&amp;nbsp; There is a small wiry dark group there, with legends about them having Spanish origins, see ://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/pn1925/rn.htm/ Spanish origins, and even Middle Eastern before that, interest us here. Dating of legends is difficult. Was this merely the Spanish Armada shipwrecking in 1588? Scroll down to Kione Spainey, or Spanish Head - Spain was once visible from this spot, so it says. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If nothing is determinable, it is interesting, and we lay out what we have found here. We did find a discussion page with long dissertations on the tribes at ://www.flickr.com/photos/celtico/2924466222/ and a map of Irish Celtic tribes.&amp;nbsp; Is Celtic different from the differing migrations we read about? Is Scotia considered &lt;i&gt;Celtic?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;How could that be?&amp;nbsp; That site also finds, at a post by a &lt;i&gt;mysteryinternetchatsource&lt;/i&gt; (like us) "mikescottnz",&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; Scotias, each with a different history-connection to Ireland. We read and tried to make sense of it, and came up with &lt;i&gt;four &lt;/i&gt;Scotas, each of whom is fine and to be remembered:&amp;nbsp; Hello? Mike Scott in New Zealand, is that you?&amp;nbsp; What did we get wrong?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; The various Scotas so far. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scota One:&amp;nbsp; Scythian prince Fenius Farsaid, is her father-in-law. In a "pseudo-Biblical" account, a "Christianized myth" perhaps with Irish monastic glosses (Nennius?) she is an Egyptian princess, daughter of Nectanebus (there was Nectanebus I and Nectanebus II), married Mil. Mil would be the son of Fenius Farsaid.&amp;nbsp; Their son is Goidal Glas and he devises the Irish language from the 72 that arose "from the dispersal of the nations"(?) Goidal Glas' descendants are the Gaels and they wander for centuries (so clearly Scota One never got to Ireland to be buried) and finally settle in Iberia. Further descendant Breogan founds city Brigantia and builds tower. This may be at Coruna, NW Galicia. their sons&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Scota Two:&amp;nbsp; From early Irish chronicle, the Lebor Gabala (Book of Invasions, Book of Conqests). Scota is an Egytian princess, daughter of&lt;i&gt; Cingris &lt;/i&gt;(name only in legend). Princess Scota. She married Niul, a son of Fenius Farsaid who was a Babylonian who traveled to Scythia after the Tower of Babel collapsed (more Christian glosses?).Niul was a "linguistic scholar" and the Pharaoh invited him and gave him Scota to marry. They had the son, Goidal Glas, who did the Irish language. The Israelites leave Egypt, and so must Goidal.&amp;nbsp; His descendants settle in Iberia, where Mil Espaine was born. Two of his sons, Eber Finn and Eremon settle Ireland. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;And Scota Three? &lt;i&gt;The Story of the Irish Race,&lt;/i&gt; by Seumas McManus:&amp;nbsp; Scota married Niul, but Niul is the grandson of Goidal Glas.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the alternative, do we have Scota Four?&amp;nbsp; Scota is the Egyptian princess who married Miled or Miletius. Queen Scota. He died, she went to Ireland with her 8 sons and their fams, big storm and many died, and Scota died fighting the Tuatha de Denaan. And so to Glenn Scoithinn, Vale of the Little Flower, and Scotia, perhaps.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;4. For earlier origins back to the Middle East, and then in Spain, see &lt;a href="http://spainroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/zaragoza-zahar-of-red-hand-ethnic.html"&gt; Zaragoza: Zahar of the Red Hand&lt;/a&gt;. Look for the Scythians, language links to the Phoenician, Hebrew borrowing from the Phoenician word forms, and so on. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Zahar himself. This part is not in the usual Chronicles, apparently, and that is understandable because in time it was not desirable to have a Hebrew background, is that so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; A Hebrew Speculative Connection, to be Woven In, Perhaps.&amp;nbsp; Eighth Century Chronicler Nennius and the Rest:&amp;nbsp; Prepare to Amend &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zahar was the grandson of Jacob, famed in Genesis by being identified as the firstborn of twins, thus entitled to the birthright, and the midwife tied a red cord around his wrist to identify him; but then he pulled his arm back in (precocious, but unwise for the inheritance) and his brother was fully &lt;i&gt;born first,&lt;/i&gt; and got it all. See Genesis.&amp;nbsp; Zahar, left out, left. His own Odyssey. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is Zahar's line a lost tribe of Israel, and is this &lt;i&gt;their &lt;/i&gt;story.&amp;nbsp; Great fun. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;5.1&amp;nbsp; Origins as Gaelic or Scythian.&amp;nbsp; Naming carries clues.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The traditional name for the grave area, a diminutive "Little Flower" is shown by the name of the area of the alleged gravesite, near Tralee, at Glen &lt;i&gt;Scoithin&lt;/i&gt; (the Flower part) or Foley's Glen.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;To some, the &lt;i&gt;Scoithin&lt;/i&gt; argues for her &lt;i&gt;Gaelic &lt;/i&gt;origins, Scoithin as a synonym for traditional women's Gaelic names, Flora or Rosa.&amp;nbsp; To others, the Scoithin ties with the &lt;i&gt;Scythian&lt;/i&gt; woman, as she is also known. Wikipedia at &lt;i&gt;Scotia's Grave&lt;/i&gt; adds that Scoithin information, that we had not had before.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;However, there are far more possibilities, even though those do not help the Gaelic pride line, and do show many even more links to Scythian. See page 46 at ://books.google.com/books?id=QnDtohOe8-QC&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;dq=The+British+Chronicles&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=NSFqVByjJH&amp;amp;sig=LLTKIPeMlIiQUfRPO5OfTanqDCw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=4r-aS4-mLsP48AaHluSWDg&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=3&amp;amp;ved=0CA8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Identity and lineage. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;5.2&amp;nbsp; The Red Hand took hold in Ireland in various ways, and not necessarily directly connected to Zahar.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is also the Red Hand of Ulster, that we looked at in American politics -- the use of the red hand in political advertising, to rally political supporters.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://kngdv.blogspot.com/2010/03/red-hand-family-jp-morgan-chase-code.html"&gt;Red Hand, "Family", JPMorgan Chase, Code&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Scroll down to the Ulster section.&amp;nbsp; A modern exploitation of the red hand, a diminution of a core symbol for Ireland, with its pros and cons, uses in violence. A trivializing of The Red Hand to use it in America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ui Niall was a Milesian, as was Scotia.&amp;nbsp; If the Milesians &lt;i&gt;were &lt;/i&gt;Hebrew by extraction, then the red hand has a double meaning - Ulster and the Old Testament.&amp;nbsp; And if it became unfashionable as centuries passed, to be known as Hebrews, then the red hand idea could move easily from Story 1, about the birth of Zahar and his descendants wandering; to Story 2, update when Ui Niall hacks his off and hurls it to the beach in time to claim the Ulster coast. But if Ui Niall himself is a descendant of the wandering tribe, we are back at square one, and happily so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;_________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Medieval Sourcebook, Nennis -Historia Brittonum, 8th Century,&lt;/i&gt; at :// www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nennius-full.html/.&amp;nbsp; Note the main introduction, that this early source relies on oral and other traditions. This is not entirely to be discounted, however, see the modern &lt;i&gt;The British Chronicles,&lt;/i&gt; Heritage Books, by David Hughes (2007) (incorporation of this and similar source material but with discussion and choices) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meet Nennius and his account: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;11. AEneas reigned over the Latins three years; Ascanius thirty-three   years; after whom Silvius reigned twelve yeaars, and Posthumus thirty-nine years: the   latter, from whom the kings of Alba are called Silvan, was brother to Brutus, who governed   Britain at the time Eli the high-priest judged Israel, and when the Ark of the covenant   was taken by a foreign people. But Posthumus his brother reigned among the Latins.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;12. After an interval of not less than eight hundred years, came the   Picts, and occupied the Orkney Islands: whence they laid waste many regions, and seized   those on the left hand side of Britain, where they still remain, keeping possession of a   third part of Britain to this day.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;13. Long after this,&lt;i&gt; the Scots arrived in Ireland from Spain (emphasis added)&lt;/i&gt; The first   that came was Partholomus, with a thousand men and women, these increased to four   thousand; but a mortality coming suddenly upon them, they all perished in one week. The   second was Nimech, the son of …..who, according to report, after having his ships   shattered, arrived at a port in Ireland, and continuing there several years, returned at   length with his followers to Spain. After these came three sons of a Spanish soldier with   thirty ships, each of which contained thirty wives; and having remained there during the   space of a year, there appeared to them, in the middle of the sea, a tower of glass, the   summit of which seemed covered with men, to whom they often spoke, but received no answer.   At length they determined to besiege the tower; and after a year's preparation, advanced   towards it, with the whole number of their ships, and all the women, one ship only   excepted, which had been wrecked, and in which were thirty men, and as many women; but   when all had disembarked on the shore which surrounded the tower, the sea opened and   swallowed them up. Ireland, however, was peopled, to the present period, from the family   remaining in the vessel which was wrecked. Afterwards, others came from Spain, and   possessed themselves of various parts of Britain. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;Egyptian Princess become Queen. Milesian King.&amp;nbsp; A group arriving in Spain, and the Queen leading the band after the death of the king from there to Ireland?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not out of the question after all. Ancient Carthage and ancient Egypt were great empires before  Rome, and took over Spain as well as the Mediterranean coastal areas,  and tips of other places.&amp;nbsp; Travel was not unusual, and would have been facilitated by the conquests. From Spain to Ireland:&amp;nbsp; short sail. See legends from the time of the Flood,  through the Old Testament, at &lt;a href="http://martinlutherstove.blogspot.com/2010/06/after-flood-irish-biblical-roots-of.html"&gt;After  the Flood:&amp;nbsp; Irish Biblical Roots and Egypt&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2193227433588880378?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2193227433588880378/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2193227433588880378' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2193227433588880378'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2193227433588880378'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/tralee-queen-scotia-and-slieve-mish.html' title='TRALEE, Queen Scotia and Slieve Mish, Scota. Mountain Grave. An Irish Big Dig'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-3325761877428945777</id><published>2009-09-16T11:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-09T10:19:22.640-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wicklow gaol'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wicklow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Wicklow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sea Stallion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Viking ship'/><title type='text'>Wicklow - Viking Access - The Long Ships, Raids, Settlement</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The shallow draft of the Viking longship enabled it to skim fast inland, whether into otherwise unnavigable estuaries; or to safety in its own Scandinavian fjords, see them at &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://denmarkroadways.blogspot.com/2010/09/roskilde-viking-ship-museum-sea.html"&gt; The Sea Stallion, Viking Longship, Denmark Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;. Although the Irish monastic communities raided each other, and the Irish people also raided the Irish monasteries and had for about 100 years before the Vikings:&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Irish monasteries provided important economic and political focal points to the  Vikings for provisions, precious goods, livestock, and captives. &lt;span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0"&gt;This was also the reason that  monasteries were a favorite raiding spot for Irish leaders both before and after  the arrival of the Vikings."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0"&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;ee &lt;a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire800.htm"&gt;http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire800.htm&lt;/a&gt;; see also &lt;a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm"&gt;http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/fitzpatrick.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Long boats like the Sea Stallion was documented, we understand, as particularly favoring raids on monasteries like Glendalough, and Clonmacnois.&amp;nbsp; It is some 30 meters in length, or about 98 feet - see &lt;a href="http://www.simetric.co.uk/metres_to_feet.php/"&gt;http://www.simetric.co.uk/metres_to_feet.php/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/TJIuc1BhPkI/AAAAAAAAKrM/LqNWVE1wbUM/s1600/100_2931.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/TJIuc1BhPkI/AAAAAAAAKrM/LqNWVE1wbUM/s320/100_2931.JPG" width="320" /&gt;Viking ship, at&amp;nbsp;Roskilde, Denmark,&amp;nbsp;reconstructed Sea Stallion, from Glendalough&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This replica sailed into Wicklow in 2008, Wicklow a name of a town that itself is Viking in origin, as "Viking's Meadow" or "Viking's Beacon" , see &lt;a href="http://www.wicklowsailingclub.com/Misc/sea_stallion_of_glendalough.htm/"&gt;http://www.wicklowsailingclub.com/Misc/sea_stallion_of_glendalough.htm/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; See the video at&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4T2f6WG5yg"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4T2f6WG5yg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Viking raiders soon morphed into settlers, see &lt;a href="http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/vikings.html"&gt;http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/pre_norman_history/vikings.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For us, at our earlier visit, Wicklow was the site of an old gaol, jail, from 1702, with only modest reforms easing the conditions, see it at &lt;a href="http://www.wicklowshistoricgaol.com/history.htm/"&gt;http://www.wicklowshistoricgaol.com/history.htm/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Many prisoners were transported from there to Australia, or the Americas, and even at a profit to the operators.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-3325761877428945777?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/3325761877428945777/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=3325761877428945777' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3325761877428945777'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3325761877428945777'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/09/wicklow-viking-access-long-ships-raids.html' title='Wicklow - Viking Access - The Long Ships, Raids, Settlement'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/TJIuc1BhPkI/AAAAAAAAKrM/LqNWVE1wbUM/s72-c/100_2931.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-9037955648218314546</id><published>2009-08-15T12:30:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-21T08:51:14.518-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='monastery'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geography and history. geographical determinism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Offaly'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='celtic crosses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Offaly'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Clonmacnois'/><title type='text'>Offaly. CLONMACNOIS. Invadability - Clonmacnois, County Offaly, Geography and history - Geographical Determinism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Clonmacnois Monastery&lt;br /&gt;Flat Terrain, Meandering River&lt;br /&gt;How Easily is a Country Invaded&lt;br /&gt;Geographical Determinism&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Clonmacnois was founded by St. Ciaran in the 6th Century. Christianity was in Ireland before St. Patrick. Ciaran studied at Tours and Rome, but chose to live as&amp;nbsp;a hermit in the Irish Midlands.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/people/saints/ciaran.shtm"&gt;http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/people/saints/ciaran.shtm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-5dkQkPFI/AAAAAAAABdQ/RTN1sapvGqk/s1600-h/irelandhighcrossclonpossible.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="296" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120515218944048210" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-5dkQkPFI/AAAAAAAABdQ/RTN1sapvGqk/s400/irelandhighcrossclonpossible.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Clonmacnois Monastery, County Offaly, Ireland, High Celtic Cross&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;This was the contemplative period and branch of Christianity.  This period of calm service was not to last, however,&amp;nbsp;once the vast Roman institutions took over, and when the effects of Christianizing northern Europe by force resulted in, or were amazingly simultaneous with, the Viking raids that decimated Irish monasteries for centuries.&amp;nbsp; This was a particularly ripe one for the taking: a Cathedral, nine churches (10th-13th C), and two round towers, three high crosses, and early Christian grave slabs.&amp;nbsp; See Heritage Sites of Ireland, Duchas, the Heritags Service, Midlands East 2000.&lt;br /&gt;Much of Ireland is flat land. Imagine the ease of enemy incursion. Where to hide. See Clonmacnois, the monastery founded by Saint Kiernan, see ://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~dvess/ids/medieval/clonmacnois/clon.shtml&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are long, meandering rivers, like the River Shannon here. Cruise up in your Viking longboat, and make a swift attack. The monks can see you, but where do they hide except in their towers. Not for long. This is Clonmacnois, the old monastery, at the lower part where the river gently sloshes. Vikings regularly glided this way, and became very rich indeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-4NkQkPEI/AAAAAAAABdI/pOv7Tv9_QRs/s1600/irelandlowerclonmacnois.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120513844554513474" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-4NkQkPEI/AAAAAAAABdI/pOv7Tv9_QRs/s320/irelandlowerclonmacnois.jpg" style="margin-top: 0pt;" /&gt;Clonmacnois Monastery, Cemetery, County Offaly, River Shannon, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a virtual tour site - ://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~dvess/ids/medieval/clonmacnois/clon.shtml/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beaches are stony, and cliff areas are there, but avoidable. So few defenses.&amp;nbsp; Just move on up the coast a bit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hit the rocks at the cliff areas in a storm and that is trouble, as the Spanish Armada found when they were blown off their course from attacking England. But a country easy to invade with its many long waterways doing deep.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-4DUQkPDI/AAAAAAAABdA/qN-jnK0aMJs/s1600-h/irelandaftgalwayseabeachstones.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120513668460854322" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-4DUQkPDI/AAAAAAAABdA/qN-jnK0aMJs/s320/irelandaftgalwayseabeachstones.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Galway, Ireland, beach&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Geographical Determinism:&amp;nbsp; This is an approach to history that focuses on how the land itself facilitates or discourages various invasions, product development, cultura.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It takes a visual overview, and a mindset that adds observation of natural setting to the more usual archeological artifacts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It takes a mindset to look at many angles at once:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What a place looks like,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;where is it situated,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;then go to the history events - issues, timelines, maps, geneologies.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Get a start on the topic at www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/iremaps.htm. Is this like Montessori method, in a sense.&amp;nbsp; Look at this example of a multi-disciplinary curriculum in order to really learn, at www.michaelolaf.net/1CW612geography.html.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That site, looking at multidisciplinary approaches to learning, says, in a fair use quote,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"History, geography, and biography—the history of a people cannot be separated from the possibilities of the environment in which it develops, and the leadership of its great men and women."&lt;/blockquote&gt;So: look at Ireland, and other invadable places like Poland, see &lt;a href="http://www.polandroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Poland Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;. More geographic determinism.&amp;nbsp; Flat lands, centuries of being overcome. Watch:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-360QkPCI/AAAAAAAABc4/WQbqicGopT0/s1600-h/irelandseascapeislands.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120513522431966242" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-360QkPCI/AAAAAAAABc4/WQbqicGopT0/s320/irelandseascapeislands.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Ireland, seascape&lt;/a&gt;1) the invasions of the Vikings and where they chose to go, in light of the shallow, wide rivers meandering right into the heartland of a flat country, geocities.com/slaneschool/page10.html;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;2) the poverty of the west along with its moonscape rock plateaus, and for that, do an Images search for Ireland West Burren;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;3) the saving graces of the Celtic monks, able to preserve a literary heritage because of a leader with vision, and because they were so far in distance from the bookburnings and excesses of Roman Christianity and as the culture of the old Roman Empire fell.  http://www.mccelticdesign.com/scribe.htm&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-9037955648218314546?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/9037955648218314546/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=9037955648218314546' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/9037955648218314546'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/9037955648218314546'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/08/geography-and-history-why-this-why-that.html' title='Offaly. CLONMACNOIS. Invadability - Clonmacnois, County Offaly, Geography and history - Geographical Determinism'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-5dkQkPFI/AAAAAAAABdQ/RTN1sapvGqk/s72-c/irelandhighcrossclonpossible.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115090577292754670</id><published>2009-04-19T11:58:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T10:27:42.262-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Raphoe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Donegal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Beltony'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='standing stones'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stone circles'/><title type='text'>BELTONY, Standing stones, Raphoe, County Donegal, Northern Ireland -  Stone Circles and rows</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/irestonecirsheep.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/irestonecirsheep.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The stones at Beltony, near Raphoe, Donegal, are 2000 years older than Stonehenge .  See the Beltony stones at raphoe.com/raphist/raphoehistory.htm#Southm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wander around the vestiges of civilizations long before the Christian era.  You can see little signs on the road with arrows pointing - when you get there, and it may be miles, the circle or lone stones may be right in the middle of a pasture.&lt;br /&gt;See Stones of Ireland at stonepages.com/ireland/ireland.html. Some places have a little tin box at the gate where the standing stones or stone circle area is on a farm, for a contribution for upkeep.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Align with stars? show seasons? show movements of moon and sun?  Other knowledge?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115090577292754670?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115090577292754670/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115090577292754670' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090577292754670'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090577292754670'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/beltony-and-other-standing-stones.html' title='BELTONY, Standing stones, Raphoe, County Donegal, Northern Ireland -  Stone Circles and rows'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-3078048072221717137</id><published>2009-04-17T11:39:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-21T15:45:30.911-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Robert the Bruce'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scotland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history of settlers in Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rathlin Island'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mary Black from Rathlin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ballycastle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rathlin'/><title type='text'>Antrim.  RATHLIN,  Island seen from Ballycastle, looking toward Scotland</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;The Glens of Antrim, on the coast, have a close connection to the Hebrides and Scotland. See &lt;a href="http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant02.htm"&gt;http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant02.htm&lt;/a&gt;. The Island of Rathlin, some 18 miles off the Irish coast, at Ballycastle, is a ferry ride away, some 50 minutes.&amp;nbsp; We chose to look from the Antrim side.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0019.8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="276" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0019.8.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="640" /&gt;Rathlin Island, from Ballycastle, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haunting singer Mary Black was born on Rathlin. Hear and see at &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpuikqf9tA&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpuikqf9tA&amp;amp;feature=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;In 1307, Robert the Bruce was on Rathlin, planning his return to Scotland, see commemorative festival in 2007 at &lt;a href="http://www.brucerathlin1307.com/"&gt;http://www.brucerathlin1307.com/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Robert the Bruce watched a spider in a cave struggling to reach the top, and, says the yarn, learned to try, try again, see &lt;a href="http://www.ballycastle.free-online.co.uk/places/rathlin/rathlin.htm"&gt;http://www.ballycastle.free-online.co.uk/places/rathlin/rathlin.htm&lt;/a&gt;. The name traces back to Robert de Bruis, a baron in the Domesday book (an early census).&amp;nbsp; Bruis' son was a friend of King David I of Scotland who granted him the title of Lord of Annandale.&amp;nbsp;But then the tracking skips:&amp;nbsp; It was the son of David I who founded the Scottish House of Bruce, not the son of Annandale. See &lt;a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Bruce"&gt;http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Bruce&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;People arrived about 6000-5000 BC and became blue-stone axe exporters, until copper took the trade. See the ballycastle site. In 1500 BC, the Firbolgs arrived, a dark race from Spain, it is said, known as "bag men" for their baggy trousers.&amp;nbsp; But their reign was short:&amp;nbsp; in 400 BC, the Celts moved in, with their iron swords, red-blond hair, tall stature.&amp;nbsp; King Donn ruled in the 1st Century. Niall, in the 400's conducted raids and stole one Patrick (son of a minor Roman official) who became Saint Patrick.&amp;nbsp; Then in 795 or so, after Charlemagne slaughtered thousands of Saxon prisoners who would not convert, Norse began their raids, starting with the monasteries.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.ballycastle.free-online.co.uk/places/rathlin/rathlin.htm"&gt;http://www.ballycastle.free-online.co.uk/places/rathlin/rathlin.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; That site&amp;nbsp;is a clear presentation of the sequence of invasions and settlers.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Continue there to the "grant" of Ireland by Henry II to deCourcy and etc. Rathlin is in the thick of it.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Scotland is a short hop beyond Rathlin. See &lt;a href="http://antrim.net/rathlin"&gt;http://antrim.net/rathlin&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;You can see Scotland and the Island of Rathlin on a reasonably clear day. The compass markers show all you can see when it is not hazy. Read about Rathlin's long (bloody) history, much fought over. &lt;a href="http://www.rathlin.info/"&gt;http://www.rathlin.info/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-3078048072221717137?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/3078048072221717137/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=3078048072221717137' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3078048072221717137'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/3078048072221717137'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/rathlin-island-seen-from-ballycastle.html' title='Antrim.  RATHLIN,  Island seen from Ballycastle, looking toward Scotland'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115859123498935782</id><published>2009-04-17T10:52:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T15:46:54.671-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Strongbow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Carrickfergus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Normans'/><title type='text'>Antrim.  CARRICKFERGUS, County Antrim, Northern Ireland: Strongbow and the Anglo Norman invasions</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Carrickfergus&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Norman Invasion - Ireland &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The background to the Norman invasion of Ireland is a long story, well laid out at &lt;a href="http://www.teachnet.ie/mmorrin/norman/why.htm"&gt;http://www.teachnet.ie/mmorrin/norman/why.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The history of this area, however, with Drogheda barely a mile away we think, extends back millenia.&amp;nbsp; Read this venerable tourist-writing book, "In Search of Ireland" by H. V. Morton, see review at &lt;a href="http://christine-breen-williams.suite101.com/in-search-of-ireland-hvmorton-a178724"&gt;http://christine-breen-williams.suite101.com/in-search-of-ireland-hvmorton-a178724&lt;/a&gt;, from 1930, and later reprintings.&amp;nbsp; Drogheda and Carrickfergus see pages 270ff.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Normans, after their invasion of England in 1066 with William the Conqueror,&amp;nbsp;invaded Ulster (the north of Ireland) with a permission, then did not leave.&amp;nbsp; The Welsh Norman Lord, Richard de Clare, known as Strongbow, acted to help restore the Leinster King to his throne, and in exchange for a marriage to the King's daughter, and other benefits of inheritance as to the throne itself. No wonder he came, with army.&amp;nbsp; He also had permission of the English King Henry II, who had been asked for help by the deposed Leinster king and then turned to Strongbow to do it.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;A more complex account of Strongbow - worth reading -  is at &lt;a href="http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/sId./kbId.129/qx/knowledgebase.htm/"&gt;http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/sId./kbId.129/qx/knowledgebase.htm/&lt;/a&gt;. For a quick review, see everyman's starting point for perspectives, at &lt;a href="http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Clare,_2nd_Earl_of_Pembroke"&gt;http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Clare,_2nd_Earl_of_Pembroke&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The town was walled by the 1300's.&amp;nbsp; The&amp;nbsp;fine castle on the water is also&amp;nbsp;called Carrickfergus.&amp;nbsp; The first fortification on the site was apparently 150 years BC, see &lt;a href="http://www.libraryireland.com/Belfast-History/Carrickfergus.php"&gt;http://www.libraryireland.com/Belfast-History/Carrickfergus.php&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;Here is a fair use thumbnail of the site now, from &lt;a href="http://www.photos.igougo.com/images/p239247"&gt;http://www.photos.igougo.com/images/p239247&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos.igougo.com/images/p239247-Carrickfergus-Carrickfergus_Castle.jpg" id="thumbnail"&gt;&lt;img alt="See full size image" height="80" src="http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6d7mmxtYcaRkuM:http://photos.igougo.com/images/p239247-Carrickfergus-Carrickfergus_Castle.jpg" style="border: 1px solid currentColor; float: left; margin: 10px 10px 0pt;" width="106" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find its history at &lt;a href="http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/article.aspx?art_id=931"&gt;http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/article.aspx?art_id=931&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;That castle was begun long before, in 1180, as a protection to Belfast Lough.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Ireland and Europe show vast educational advantages compared to our isolation from so much history.&amp;nbsp; Schoolchildren here learn history from their backyards.  At this castle, for example, there are staging sets, exhibits, classrooms, mannequins, scenes, all showing Carrickfergus in 1180 and to now.  See &lt;a href="http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant03.htm"&gt;http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant03.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Turn the corner around from one of the staircases, and find the king, crown askew, on the loo, drawers crumpled at his feet, chin on hand, and school&amp;nbsp;kids seeing it for the first time, giggling and pointing. Great fun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carrickfergus is huge, like the photo of what now know is Caernarfon in Wales,* see note.&lt;br /&gt;..........................................................&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Update January 2009 - We had originally posted this picture, but later found it is not Carrickfergus,but Caernarfon, that we also visited. See comment.&amp;nbsp; My son and I are sure we a "Carrickfergus" but this was before memory cards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/carrickferg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/carrickferg.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Caernarfon Castle, Wales - First believed to be Carrickfergus - bad record-keeping&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are similarities between Carrickfergus and Caernarfon, but this one turns out to be Castle Caernarfon in Wales, where the Prince of Wales is customarily crowned.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://walesroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/caernarfon-castle-and-prince-of-wales.html"&gt;Ireland Road Ways, Caernarfon Castle and the Prince of Wales&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All information is a matter of pooling and checking. Vet it all. Thanks.&amp;nbsp; The comment that first alerted us includes a picture of Carrickfergus so check it there.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115859123498935782?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115859123498935782/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115859123498935782' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115859123498935782'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115859123498935782'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/carrickfergus-castle-and-anglo-norman.html' title='Antrim.  CARRICKFERGUS, County Antrim, Northern Ireland: Strongbow and the Anglo Norman invasions'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115798296885196809</id><published>2009-04-17T09:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T11:15:33.534-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dunluce Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Antrim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kitchens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Glens of Northern Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rathlin'/><title type='text'>DUNLUCE CASTLE, County Antrim, Northern Ireland</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0010.5.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0010.5.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This castle, named Dunluce, is on the Antrim coast Northern Ireland.  Its kitchens fell into the sea in 1639.  See geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant03.htm.  Seven cooks perished, but a cobbler survived.  See www.donegaldirect.com/Site_WS_Business_Details.aspx?business_name=Dunluce%20Castle.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115798296885196809?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115798296885196809/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115798296885196809' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115798296885196809'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115798296885196809'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/dunluce-castle-and-its-lost-kitchens.html' title='DUNLUCE CASTLE, County Antrim, Northern Ireland'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-5054077298198410441</id><published>2009-04-17T09:43:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-21T16:53:04.020-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Antrim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geo-tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Giant&apos;s Causeway'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Benandoner the giant'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geotourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Finn Mac Cool the giant'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Northern Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UNESCO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='World Heritage'/><title type='text'>Antrim. GIANT'S CAUSEWAY; Northern Ireland</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;The Giant's Causeway consists of some 40,000 basaltic lava columns.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;It started tens of millions of years ago, with hot&amp;nbsp;lava seeping up through limestone cracks, to form a plateau. See &lt;a href="http://www.northantrim.com/giantscauseway.htm"&gt;http://www.northantrim.com/giantscauseway.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the lava cooled, it contracted into polygonal columns, some 4, 5, 6 sides. Some are 12' thick, some are 40' tall. Beginning at the top, fractures spread down in layers, with the cooling and contractions stressing the material. The hexagonal shape relieves the most stress with least energy. Meet Dr. Alberto G. Rojo and author Eduardo A. Jagla, Argentina.&amp;nbsp; Their interest is in the patterns nature shows, Match an experiment with cornstarch. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, that is too technical and dull.&amp;nbsp; Try this one.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyWAR-kBI/AAAAAAAAAkE/gN_s5jVQig8/s1600-h/giantcausedan.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5078145408450859026" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyWAR-kBI/AAAAAAAAAkE/gN_s5jVQig8/s320/giantcausedan.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing at the Giant's Causeway, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Waiting for Finn.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;There was once a quarrel between two giants, named Finn Mac Cool and Benandonner. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Benandonner built the causeway as a walkway from Scotland so he could do battle properly against Finn Mac Cool. The story has Finn posing as a baby in a pram, and the mother saying the baby is just Finn's brother - do read it all at ballycastle.free-online.co.uk/places/causeway/causeway. Science may be right, but myth never misses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we have another.&amp;nbsp; Finn was besotted with a lovely lady from the Hebrides, another lady giant, and build the causeway in order to bring her to Ireland.&amp;nbsp; Back to&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/02/science/physicists-at-play-help-unlock-the-mysteries-of-lava.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Physicists%20at%20Play%20help%20unlock%20the%20mysteries%20of%20lava&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/02/science/physicists-at-play-help-unlock-the-mysteries-of-lava.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Physicists%20at%20Play%20help%20unlock%20the%20mysteries%20of%20lava&amp;amp;st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyhQR-kDI/AAAAAAAAAkU/ZB5US2vI1-o/s1600-h/giantcause1.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="266" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5078145601724387378" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyhQR-kDI/AAAAAAAAAkU/ZB5US2vI1-o/s400/giantcause1.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Giant's Causeway, County Antrim, Northern Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These formations are from vast long-ago lava flows, see all the geology and history at northantrim.com/giantscauseway.&amp;nbsp; The white tin on the rock means stop: walk no further. Or that someone tippled.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkybgR-kCI/AAAAAAAAAkM/AlA1_cJ4KFo/s1600-h/giantcausepanor.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="188" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5078145502940139554" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkybgR-kCI/AAAAAAAAAkM/AlA1_cJ4KFo/s640/giantcausepanor.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="640" /&gt;Giant's Causeway, lava rock formations, County Antrim, Northern Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyWAR-kBI/AAAAAAAAAkE/gN_s5jVQig8/s1600-h/giantcausedan.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5078145408450859026" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyWAR-kBI/AAAAAAAAAkE/gN_s5jVQig8/s320/giantcausedan.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing as Finn, Giant's Causeway, County Antrim, Northern Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a UNESCO World Heritage site. See whc.unesco.org/en/list/369.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meet Finn. See allaboutirish.com/library/tales/gcauseway.shtm for the myth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also thesalmons.org/lynn/wh-england.html for the Giant's Causeway. This is a fine site with all the World Heritage sites listed. Scroll down to the causeway, and follow the links for history and geology. See also geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiant01.htm for tourism information.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This would be an excellent geo-tourism site because of the geological sites and attractions. See book "Geotourism" by Ross Dowling at this site: elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/706060/description#description.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-5054077298198410441?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5054077298198410441/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=5054077298198410441' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5054077298198410441'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5054077298198410441'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/northern-ireland-giants-causeway.html' title='Antrim. GIANT&apos;S CAUSEWAY; Northern Ireland'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnkyWAR-kBI/AAAAAAAAAkE/gN_s5jVQig8/s72-c/giantcausedan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-4603081560522746347</id><published>2009-04-16T21:03:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-11T11:24:45.355-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Strongbow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fitzgilbert'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland in Norse Saga'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pick a place looking for old Norse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norman invasion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>History.  Saga.  Normans, Strongbow, and Norse Migrations.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pick a Place. Looking for Old Norse.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;A.&amp;nbsp; The Norse (Vikings) raided, invaded and captured Irish for slaves; and raided monasteries Note that this was not a first occurrence: as many of the early Christian monasteries also raided each other, and Irish also raided the monasteries.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps with not the same ax-gusto, but raids, deaths, treasure.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/people/settlers/vikings2.shtm"&gt;http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/people/settlers/vikings2.shtm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; There were also tradesmen Vikings, agriculture Vikings,&amp;nbsp; town folk. Many Vikings came as settlers and stayed. Early Ireland was a place of contrasts, and even&amp;nbsp;among clerics, self-interest.&amp;nbsp; Here is a view of life:&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://english.glendale.cc.ca.us/christ.html"&gt;http://english.glendale.cc.ca.us/christ.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Viking stories in Iceland offer a picture of a community with its own laws, allegiances, systems.&amp;nbsp; Not "barbaric". &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;C.&amp;nbsp; Tracking the Norse. See FN 1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; We are accustomed to thinking of the Norse as Vikings from Norway or Iceland, or Denmark. Norse generally means North.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Norwegian-Icelandic Norse headed for Scotland (including the Orkneys and the Hebrides) and Ireland (among far-ranging other parts of the world).&amp;nbsp; Ireland was as a target for the Viking-Norse - Ireland first as source of booty, then a settlement destination for the Norse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, other waves of Norse aimed for the heart of France, up the Seine and any waterway that could be found. They made so much trouble that Paris bought them off so that they would continue up to Burgundy instead; and finally they all bought off the Vikings from their dreadful raids by giving them Normandy - land of the Northmen.&amp;nbsp; Normans. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the&lt;i&gt; Normans &lt;/i&gt;were named from the who raided France and were bought off by giving them Normandy, France. They are the ones who invaded the British Isles. And then, from there, Ireland.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Danes, another group of Norse, headed for England more the&amp;nbsp; Swedish Vikings tended to raid and invade and settle more south and East - into Northeast Europe, and Russia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So:&amp;nbsp; relationships between groups include those stemming from raids, invasion, exploitation, enslavement in and this applies to Ireland's interaction with the Norse.&amp;nbsp; Where a stand-off results, with neither fully conquering the other, or fending them off,&amp;nbsp; see a cultural tolerance arise.&amp;nbsp; Settlers settle and contribute to the community, the community grudgingly accepts, many cross-pollinate eventually, there is intermarriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the Norse settling in Ireland as well as the rest of the British Isles, became integral parts now of that entire heritage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.............................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1.&amp;nbsp; How to get a grasp on history:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Try &lt;i&gt;"The Timechart History of The World: 6000 Years of World History Unfolded,"&lt;/i&gt; Third Millennium Press 2004.&amp;nbsp; Tall, narrow and skinny, but heavy cardstock foldouts - say 22"x 14"x3/4" or less - need a ruler. Scandinavia and Britannia start about 450AD - read county areas, tribes, great pithy summaries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Norse invasions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Norse conquered - obtained Normandy, France, in 906; and the Norse conquered England a century later, in 1066.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the 10th Century, after some back and forth as to Dublin, these towns were Norse:&amp;nbsp; Dublin, Wexford, Wicklow, Arklow, Waterford, Cork, Limerick. Lands were not necessarily firmly under Viking rule, however, as Irish kingdoms continued to resist, and in some areas, the relationship became one of mutual tolerance, see &lt;i&gt;The Viking World&lt;/i&gt; at http://books.google.com/books?id=Bfo_s--CXA4C&amp;amp;pg=PA28&amp;amp;lpg=PA28&amp;amp;dq=Norse+towns+Ireland&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=ONrw8fcnkG&amp;amp;sig=TEwFIPvYsmQ36HCrpXpYxfHacwk&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=dLzoSt7ZL5TOlAfe8pSBCA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=4&amp;amp;ved=0CBYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=Norse%20towns%20Ireland&amp;amp;f=false/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the Northmen, by then the "Normans," stemming from Normandy, and then in England, as the&amp;nbsp; Anglo-Normans, invaded Ireland in 1170.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meet Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare, known as &lt;i&gt;"Strongbow"&lt;/i&gt; (this name was also his father's in his time).&amp;nbsp; - from Waterford to Dublin and beyond, see Norman roots at &lt;a href="http://franceroadways.blogspot.com/2009/02/normandy-normans-northmen-norse-vikings.html"&gt;France Road Ways, Normandy, Normans&lt;/a&gt;; and the Strongbow and Norman invasion at &lt;a href="http://www.castlewales.com/is_clare.html"&gt;http://www.castlewales.com/is_clare.html&lt;/a&gt;/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Long histories of castles, defenders, defeats, victors rebuilding, but the tall square Norman keep, strong and a refuge, see &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sa6CQPTdWWI/AAAAAAAAGx8/XHIvJTf7E90/s1600-h/blarney2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sa6CQPTdWWI/AAAAAAAAGx8/XHIvJTf7E90/s320/blarney2.jpg" /&gt;Blarney Castle, County Cork, Muenster Province, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;2. King Henry of England had rejected Strongbow's claims to certain lands, for reasons not entirely clear; but became concerned at the successes of Strongbow and the Anglo-Normans in garnering support - the King had to reassert control,&amp;nbsp; and opportunities arose.&amp;nbsp; Dermot of Ireland had come to Henry II for help in regaining his Leinster lands and throne, and Henry gave Dermot a writing declaring that all who supported Henry were released, if they chose, to support Dermot.&amp;nbsp; And many did, including Strongbow who saw a chance to regain his former glory another way, see &lt;a href="http://www.castlewales.com/strngbow.html"&gt;http://www.castlewales.com/strngbow.html.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the tale behind Dermot's plight, see &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was a scandalous event among kings in Ireland, giving rise to rivalries and retributions; and King Henry was open to helping the one who lost his lands (the one who had the affair was duly punished).&amp;nbsp; See Lough Gill entry here, &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/yeats-country-sligo-and-gort-lough.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/yeats-country-sligo-and-gort-lough.html&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;where the affair apparently was had.&amp;nbsp; And followups as to history at&amp;nbsp;the Adare section here, showing the division between Christianity before 1100 or so, and after, with the imposition of Gregorian Reforms, see &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/05/ruins-and-headstones-in-golf-courses.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/05/ruins-and-headstones-in-golf-courses.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the Pope had the key:&amp;nbsp; If the Pope gave permission for invasion, for ecclesiastical ends (this being the era of Gregorian Reforms 1100 and on), and the King paid handsomely for it, then the Pope wins by gaining clerical control over an unruly Christian non-Roman island; and the King Henry wins by getting his people in Ireland.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enther Strongbow and the Welsh lords invading in earnest,&amp;nbsp; paying the&amp;nbsp; Pope, the King in Ireland who lost his lands (Dermot) got them back, wed his daughter to Strongbow as promised, and maneuvered the throne to Strongbow upon Dermot's death, as promised, and the Pope got an ongoing payment of so much per head.&amp;nbsp; Nice.&amp;nbsp;See &lt;a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/geraldwales1.asp"&gt;http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/geraldwales1.asp&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Norman strain apparently was feisty, requiring such controls - the King had to be Somebody.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A trip to Ireland - see the number of Norman towers along the coasts, inland, even Yeats' home&amp;nbsp; at Gort is a Norman tower house. Return and then find out the time sequence, the stresses, the conflicts.&amp;nbsp; So some surnames of Norse derivation may not have arrived with Vikings going a-Viking, or settling thereafter, but could have come from another direction: with William the Conqueror in Normandy invading England, and the Normans then in time invading Ireland with Strongbow and others,&amp;nbsp; Many Normans also settled in Wales.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is like a paperless filing cabinet, putting in bits that we may want to follow up later.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-4603081560522746347?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/4603081560522746347/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=4603081560522746347' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4603081560522746347'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4603081560522746347'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/02/normans-strongbow-and-norse-migrations.html' title='History.  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Normans, Strongbow, and Norse Migrations.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sa6CQPTdWWI/AAAAAAAAGx8/XHIvJTf7E90/s72-c/blarney2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2940152747524140521</id><published>2009-04-16T14:25:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-08-12T12:04:02.670-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Red Hand of Ulster'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ui Niall'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Belfast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Titanic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hugh O&apos;Neill'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='transportation museum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Titanic constructed'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='last supper'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='first class Titanic'/><title type='text'>BELFAST, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Titanic.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Transportation Museum.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a splendid transportation museum at Belfast, with full-size carriages and trains, and a model of the Titanic. Big exhibit. When we drove through the city, there were political symbols, and fists, and bombed out places.  Banks transferring big canvas locked bags to armored cars had soldiers with machine guns guarding.  We moved along smartly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Titanic: the exhibit and models of this ship, constructed here in Belfast, offered to its First Class passengers this last meal, according to the Financial Times, this by way of update June 11-12, 2011: see &lt;a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/6507080c-9175-11e0-b1ea-00144feab49a.html#axzz1UpRXV9sq"&gt;http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/6507080c-9175-11e0-b1ea-00144feab49a.html#axzz1UpRXV9sq&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also &lt;a href="http://www.titanicandco.com/menu.html"&gt;http://www.titanicandco.com/menu.html&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.food.com/recipe/titanic-1st-class-menu-consomm-olga-191094"&gt;http://www.food.com/recipe/titanic-1st-class-menu-consomm-olga-191094&lt;/a&gt; (for the Consomme Olga)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are sites that just give the actual Titanic recipes, but we include later versions also&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 1: hors d'oeuvres and oysters&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 2:&amp;nbsp; Consomme Olga; cream of barley&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 3:&amp;nbsp; Salmon, poached, with sauce mousseline, see &lt;a href="http://www.suite101.com/content/mousseline-sauce-thick-and-luscious-a89013"&gt;http://www.suite101.com/content/mousseline-sauce-thick-and-luscious-a89013&lt;/a&gt;; cucumbers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 4:&amp;nbsp; Filet Mignon, Lili style, see &lt;a href="http://www.cookeryonline.com/RECIPES%20HTML/Meat%20Dishes/Filets%20Mignons%20Lili.html"&gt;http://www.cookeryonline.com/RECIPES%20HTML/Meat%20Dishes/Filets%20Mignons%20Lili.html&lt;/a&gt;. Think artichoke hearts, madeira, gooseliver paste, truffle&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 5:&amp;nbsp; Lamb with mint sauce; roast duckling with applesauce, sirloin of beef chateau, see &lt;a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/wbkirOH42DOCp1iBi8LFYA?select=75tph-bwvXaKr-kEQFCviQ"&gt;http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/wbkirOH42DOCp1iBi8LFYA?select=75tph-bwvXaKr-kEQFCviQ&lt;/a&gt;, green peas and creamed carrots, rice (boiled) potatoes Parmentier &lt;a href="http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-01540j.htm"&gt;http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-01540j.html &lt;/a&gt;and is that really just boiled with butter and parsley scattered?&amp;nbsp; and boiled new&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 6:&amp;nbsp; Punch Romaine, &lt;a href="http://www.food.com/recipe/titanics-1st-class-menu-punch-romaine-191154"&gt;http://www.food.com/recipe/titanics-1st-class-menu-punch-romaine-191154&lt;/a&gt; (champagne, wine, orange juice, rum)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 7:&amp;nbsp; Roast squab, see &lt;a href="http://articles.boston.com/2006-04-19/ae/29242115_1_squab-oven-and-roast-pan"&gt;http://articles.boston.com/2006-04-19/ae/29242115_1_squab-oven-and-roast-pan&lt;/a&gt; and cress (look like sprouts, or is it just watercress? see &lt;a href="http://completewellbeing.com/article/garden-cress-packed-with-power"&gt;http://completewellbeing.com/article/garden-cress-packed-with-power&lt;/a&gt;/)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 8: Cold asparagus with vinaigrette&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 9:&amp;nbsp; Goose liver paste and celery&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Course 10:&amp;nbsp; Waldorf pudding, exact recipe unknown, see &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_pudding"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_pudding&lt;/a&gt;, but many claimants; peaches in Chartreuse jelly (this is probably like a jell-o shot, see &lt;a href="http://www.etailersdigest.com/celebrate/refresh/shooters.htm"&gt;http://www.etailersdigest.com/celebrate/refresh/shooters.htm&lt;/a&gt; - Chartreuse is a liqueur, see St. Bruno at &lt;a href="http://www.cocktailatlas.com/Chartreuse_Liqueur/Char-truth.htm"&gt;http://www.cocktailatlas.com/Chartreuse_Liqueur/Char-truth.htm&lt;/a&gt;); chocolate and vanilla eclairs, and French ice cream.&amp;nbsp; French means a custardy base, we think, see &lt;a href="http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/french_vanilla_ice_cream"&gt;http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/french_vanilla_ice_cream&lt;/a&gt;/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After Belfast, we went down the peninsula rather than the mainland side toward Dublin, because we saw a ferry marking on the map. Rule:&amp;nbsp; If you see a ferry sign, you have to take it. Ended up at Downpatrick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Red Hand of Ulster&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;What is the source of the image, the red hand of Ulster.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find the Red Hand of Ulster, at &lt;a href="http://travelpostersonline.com/"&gt;http://travelpostersonline.com&lt;/a&gt;/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Belfast neighborhoods, we saw the Red Hand of Ulster on walls, posters.&amp;nbsp; In 1015 BC, some say 1500 BC, Ui Niall, or Hugh O'Neill was coming to claim Ulster when it appeared that a rival chieftain would get their on his ship first.&amp;nbsp; So Ua Niall hacked off his hand and hurled it to short, being the first to claim the land. &amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.oneill-family.org/RHOU.html"&gt;http://www.oneill-family.org/RHOU.html&lt;/a&gt;/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Millennia later, protestants claimed the symbol for their claim to a birthright there, the Red Hand of Ulster, as a British land.&amp;nbsp; Here is one: fair use thumbnail from www://cain.ulst.ac.uk&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols/udaflag2.gif" id="thumbnail"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Read legends of Hebrew roots for the Red Hand, at &lt;a href="http://www.johnpratt.com/"&gt;http://www.johnpratt.com&lt;/a&gt;/.../&amp;nbsp; Thumbnails are supposed to be fair use, but we haven't the energy or funds to dispute a site's removal of even that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look up the picture of the Zerah Red Hand, Old Testament roots, is from that site.&amp;nbsp; Do an Images search.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/images/ulster.gif" id="thumbnail"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2940152747524140521?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2940152747524140521/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2940152747524140521' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2940152747524140521'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2940152747524140521'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/11/belfast-and-down-to-portadown-another.html' title='BELFAST, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Titanic.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2516509730975946668</id><published>2009-04-15T19:03:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2012-01-17T10:29:53.097-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dublin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bram Stoker born in Dublin. Dracula'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bram Stoker'/><title type='text'>DUBLIN. Bram Stoker, Dublin's Claim to Dracula</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;DUBLIN&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dublin County &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Leinster Province&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel the Traveler here, is our famed co-Director of the ad hoc Car-Dan Tour Company, of &lt;a href="http://www.europeroadways.com/"&gt; (click) Europe Road Ways&lt;/a&gt; fame.&amp;nbsp; He went to the bookstore, as his custom often.&amp;nbsp; He found out that Bram Stoker, who wrote &lt;i&gt;Dracula&lt;/i&gt;,&amp;nbsp; is a Dubliner, born in 1847. We never knew that when we were there, or when we went to Romania,&amp;nbsp; but here is corroboration: at the venerable BBC itself, at ://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A588233/.&amp;nbsp; See our Romania site at &lt;a href="http://romaniaroadwaysvladtepes.blogspot.com/"&gt;Romania Road Ways, Vlad Tepes Sites&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SuTY5o7755I/AAAAAAAAIw8/C1leNJxLkKM/s1600-h/Dandracclb.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SuTY5o7755I/AAAAAAAAIw8/C1leNJxLkKM/s320/Dandracclb.jpg" /&gt;Dan learns that Bram Stoker is a Dubliner.&amp;nbsp; Here is Dan, at the Dracula Club, Halloween, Bucharest, Romania&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, Bram Stoker was shaped by horror stories of the cholera epidemic in Ireland in 1832, among other influences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He went to Trinity College in Dublin, and was athletic and a debater.&amp;nbsp; He was a civil servant at Dublin Castle, and received an M.A. in Mathematics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After he moved to London, he qualified as a Barrister, but did not practice. "Dracula" - his most famous novel, published in 1897 - earned him zilch.&amp;nbsp; He died in 1912. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point? That taking a young person to Europe, or other area where they have an affinity from vague roots, can leads to lifetime interests in the interrelationships among countries they have actually seen. Skip the summer camp. One parent, one child, go somewhere. Climb castles or whatever. Eat and sleep on the cheap. Life. Bram Stoker born in Dublin. Who'd 'a' guessed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2516509730975946668?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2516509730975946668/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2516509730975946668' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2516509730975946668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2516509730975946668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/dublins-claim-to-vampires-bram-stoker.html' title='DUBLIN. Bram Stoker, Dublin&apos;s Claim to Dracula'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SuTY5o7755I/AAAAAAAAIw8/C1leNJxLkKM/s72-c/Dandracclb.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-7029615227227714587</id><published>2009-04-15T17:24:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:54:14.492-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New York Times'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='36 Hours'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dublin'/><title type='text'>DUBLIN.  Dublin. - The Thirty-Six Hour Series, New York Times</title><content type='html'>DUBLIN.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Resources for clipping and taking, or printing out:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;July 13, 2008, page 11, New York Times.  Do check the "36 Hours" series, this one on Dublin, for any major city - with luck, there will be a feature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You will find a handy map of the city, with the usual numbered bullets showing where the places are, and a fine series of paragraphs according to time and location.  Start at 9, for example, after breakfast, at this place, and follow through the entire 36 hours - restaurants, culture, sights,  night spots.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-7029615227227714587?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7029615227227714587/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=7029615227227714587' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7029615227227714587'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7029615227227714587'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2008/08/dublin-thirty-six-hour-series-new-york.html' title='DUBLIN.  Dublin. - The Thirty-Six Hour Series, New York Times'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-6432386951263244214</id><published>2009-04-15T12:27:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T16:57:48.093-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Down'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Downpatrick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Strangford Lough'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Down Cathedral'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Brigid'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Portaferry'/><title type='text'>Down. PORTAFERRY, Downpatrick, County Down</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PORTAFERRY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DOWNPATRICK&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;From Belfast, take a break from driving and take an alternate route south:&amp;nbsp; Drive the peninsula south to Portaferry, on Strangford Lough.&amp;nbsp;Enjoy the waves&amp;nbsp;across toward Downpatrick. &amp;nbsp;Our rule is this:&amp;nbsp; If you see a ferry, take it. That is the rule. Here, we knew there would be a ferry across toward Downpatrick, so there was no surprise change in route. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Its history goes back to mesolithic man, some 7000 BC, see &lt;a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.portaferry.info/History.html"&gt;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.portaferry.info/History.html&lt;/a&gt;; with each stage or invasion represented, through religious changes, Norse, Cromwell.&amp;nbsp; Strangford Lough itself is a Norse name -- Strang-fjord, says the site.&amp;nbsp; If you have time to delve, there is a castle, and old church ruins.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/430734/ferryportadown.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="266" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3177/1253/320/491178/ferryportadown.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Portaferry ferry, Strangford Lough toward Downpatrick, Ireland.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Portaferry does not go to Portadown, another place entirely.&amp;nbsp; Portadown is a market town also with a long history, more prosperous since the 17th century, see &lt;a href="http://www.portadowntown.com/about/heritage.asp"&gt;http://www.portadowntown.com/about/heritage.asp&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The "down" comes from old Gaelic for dun, or fortress, or fort.&amp;nbsp; Place of the fort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;DOWNPATRICK&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Cathedral at Downpatrick displays the gravestone allegedly of Saint Patrick,&amp;nbsp;see &lt;a href="http://visitdownpatrick.com/"&gt;http://visitdownpatrick.com/&lt;/a&gt;, where Saint Patrick is said to be buried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/323225/scan0009.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3177/1253/320/308374/scan0009.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Down Cathedral, Downpatrick, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a large flat slabstone in front, with a depression where he is supposed to have laid his hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Saint Bridget,  see &lt;a href="http://marshallco.net/axtell/stbridget/bridget-life.htm"&gt;http://marshallco.net/axtell/stbridget/bridget-life.htm&lt;/a&gt;; and Columba or Columcille are also here.  See &lt;a href="http://www.saintspreserved.com/Colum/St_Colum.htm"&gt;http://www.saintspreserved.com/Colum/St_Colum.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Other sites have St. Bridget buried at Kildare.  See &lt;a href="http://www.ecole.evansville.edu/glossary/bridgeti.html"&gt;http://www.ecole.evansville.edu/glossary/bridgeti.html&lt;/a&gt;. As to St Brigit, or St Brigid, or Brigid, she apparently is the Christianization of the old Celtic goddess of the same name in whose honor so many sacred wells, healing wells, are named.&amp;nbsp; See discussion at &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/view/flipcard#!/2006/06/magic-or-healing-wells.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/view/flipcard#!/2006/06/magic-or-healing-wells.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-6432386951263244214?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/6432386951263244214/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=6432386951263244214' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/6432386951263244214'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/6432386951263244214'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/04/republic-county-down-portadown.html' title='Down. PORTAFERRY, Downpatrick, County Down'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-5090579548894059866</id><published>2009-04-15T11:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:54:43.722-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Guinness Book of World Records'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Guinness Stout'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dublin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Guinness'/><title type='text'>DUBLIN - And Guinness.  County Dublin</title><content type='html'>Dublin: We ambled for a day, around St. Patrick's Cathedral and the River Liffey, especially interested in Bloomsday, James Joyce - whom we later met in Pula in Croatia. See &lt;a href="http://www.croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt; Croatia Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;. Joyce lived in Croatia, among other places.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Medieval Dublin is hard to extract from wandering the commercial city today. See medieval Dublin information at enfo.ie/leaflets/bs16.htm. Its history is at eiretek.org/chapters/books/Harris/contents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.seattlemet.com/image_cache/assets/0001/5415/guinness-is-good-for-you.jpg" id="thumbnail"&gt;&lt;img alt="See full size image" height="80" src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Csf1qj5jWuya4M:http://www.seattlemet.com/image_cache/assets/0001/5415/guinness-is-good-for-you.jpg" style="border: 1px solid; float: left; margin: 10px 10px 0pt;" width="52" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Fair use thumbnail from ://www.seattlenet.com/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aim for the Guinness. This famous stout was first brewed as a "porter" by Arthur Guinness in 1770 at St. James' Gate here, see ://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/somehistory.aspx/&amp;nbsp; Now centered in England,&amp;nbsp; you can still enjoy the Guinness Book of World Records, instituted to while away the time while patrons imbibed.&amp;nbsp; See ://spyhunter007.com/spy_guinness_book_history.htm&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-5090579548894059866?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5090579548894059866/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=5090579548894059866' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5090579548894059866'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5090579548894059866'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/republic-dublin-county-dublin.html' title='DUBLIN - And Guinness.  County Dublin'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-7355148124870661287</id><published>2009-04-14T11:45:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2012-01-17T10:38:06.680-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sea Stallion of Glendalough'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gregorian Reforms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kevin&apos;s Bed'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='monastery'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Saint Kevin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Caoineog'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Wicklow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Caineah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pre-Roman church reforms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Glendalough'/><title type='text'>GLENDALOUGH, County Wicklow, monastery</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;GLENDALOUGH&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gleann da Loc&lt;br /&gt;SAINT KEVIN&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/Glendaloughmonctywicklow.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="263" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Glendaloughmonctywicklow.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" width="400" /&gt;Glendalough, County Wicklow, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;EARLY CHRISTIANITY, PRE-ROMAN VERSION REFORMS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;What if early Christianity as brought to Ireland by the earliest religious, had been able to prevail against the might of the Roman branch -- and its Gregorian Reforms, see &lt;a href="http://individual.utoronto.ca/hayes/survey2/03_gregorian.htm"&gt;http://individual.utoronto.ca/hayes/survey2/03_gregorian.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The&amp;nbsp;militant, organizational, creed-driven group out to change the world according to its view overwhelmed the local faithful, the meditative, the merely "doing good".&amp;nbsp; History only tells us what did happen, not what might have changed in our own lives with other outcomes. Saint Kevin. Naom Caoimgin. Sound out the Gaelic.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Come to Glendalough, 550-600 AD, Noonan at 12; and many other sites remaining in Ireland, for a glimpse of another&amp;nbsp;Christianity,&amp;nbsp;one seeking conversion of others but never pushing it. If you can find an old guide, like &lt;em&gt;Glendalough, or the Seven Churches of Saint Kevin&lt;/em&gt;, by P. J. Noonan (P.O'Nuinain), 1st edition 1936, and the last, the 8th, in 1962, you are rich indeed. &amp;nbsp;See reference to it at &lt;a href="http://openlibrary.org/works/OL12405391W/Glendalough_(Gleann_d%C3%A1_Lo%C4%8B)_and_the_seven_churches_of_St._Kevin_(Nao%E1%B9%81_Caoi%E1%B9%81%C4%A1in"&gt;The Seven Churches of St. Kevin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Saint Kevin,&amp;nbsp; died 617-18,&amp;nbsp;established himself and began a monastery, and signs point that it was here, at these ruins. But written accounts were set down centuries later, these date to before&amp;nbsp;800 but not as early as 550-600, so where the first structures were, more confined,&amp;nbsp;between the two lochs, or lakes, upper or lower part of the valley, is&amp;nbsp;not clear. Other, older sites with huts,&amp;nbsp;are steeped in other traditions of holiness and burial place of kings, nearby. The round tower here is probably 10th century, the time of the Viking raids. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See the &lt;a href="http://denmarkroadways.blogspot.com/2010/09/roskilde-viking-ship-museum-sea.html"&gt;Sea Stallion of Glendalough&lt;/a&gt;, Roskilde, DK reconstructed. &lt;br /&gt;Danes and Norse: plundered Dublin, Kildare, Glendalough in 837.&amp;nbsp; Then the indigenous, native Irish plundered Glendalough in 983. And in 984-85, the Danes were back at Glendalough; and again in 1012, 1016.&amp;nbsp; Between 1017-1163, Glendalough was "ravaged seven times", Noonan at 23. &lt;br /&gt;There are also prehistoric tombs in the area around Kevin's hermit cave, or Kevin's Bed. His arrival there could be geared to dispensing with old superstition, including regarding causing the death of a powerful witch named Caineah or Caoineog, who tried to harm a son of a king sent to Kevin for fostering. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ireland's connections with Spain and Portugal are also known, Noonan at 17, and some legends may stem from those contacts. &lt;br /&gt;There are many old monastery ruins in Ireland This complex at Glendalough, in County Wicklow, is one of the most famous, see a virtual tour at &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~dvess/ids/medieval/glendalough/glendalough.shtml"&gt;http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/%7Edvess/ids/medieval/glendalough/glendalough.shtml&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to theology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This place represents a golden age for creativity and self-direction in religion - Celtic Christianity, before the rigid institutions, exclusions, and authority of the Roman church took over. Linear thinking cuts like a machete through the gentle tolerances it finds, and abhors. Is that so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later History:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By 1157, the Roman church reforms were well begun.&amp;nbsp; Laurence O'Toole introduced those reforms, but continued to make his own pilgrimates to Glendalough, Noonan at 24. Suddenly there was the Pope asserting jurisdiction, there were formal offices to be held, hierarchies, and, most important, priests began attending deaths with last rites -- and perhaps influencing who got what at the end?&amp;nbsp; Read the overview at another religious-political site, Cashel, and its Rock of Cashel at &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1170 -- These reforms in turn&amp;nbsp;led to the Norman Invasion, through one Diarmuid MacMurrough and tawdry events of reprisal and revenge, and treachery in his bringing the Normans into the country, see Noonan at 25. Again Glendalough was sacked. This time, by the Normans.&amp;nbsp; Henry II followed up with assertions of "grants" and control, Normans again in 1174 sacked Glendalough, and Henry II himself invaded Ireland in 1175. More plunder, and a flood. Politics, Pope finally affirmed the "grant" that had been opposed by the local Thomas O'Toole (back to the original revenge reprisal issue), and competing "grants" by Pope Innocent vs. Prince John.&amp;nbsp; More attacks, English this time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Glendalough and town walls:&amp;nbsp; Ireland has many walled towns, most of which are layered over previous cultural settlers. Celtic hill round forts, to Vikings and their wooden fences, to Normans with stone walls of massive size, sentry towers, defense crenellations,&amp;nbsp; and beneath many of those, early monastic peaceful towns, "building communities of shared labor and protection within walls."&amp;nbsp; Glendalough was one of these. A secular community also grew there, "that clung to the monastery for protection and profit. &amp;nbsp;See &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/07/travel/walking-along-norman-walls.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Walking%20Along%20Norman%20Walls&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/07/travel/walking-along-norman-walls.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=Walking%20Along%20Norman%20Walls&amp;amp;st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A confusion of history, who is entitled to what. The Noonan guide is comprehensive. PP 27 ff. The Normans represented state interference in church appointments, the old times celebrated independence of the clergy, then came the Pope with new interferences in old ways, but through the church branch he represented.&amp;nbsp; Many large Orders were introduced, with Rules. English archbishops were anathema to the Clan O'Toole, and so on. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1398-1497 - Celtic bishops held the See of Glendalough by "usurpation" it was called, and with permission of the Popes, and the local clans, but then the English archbishop system prevailed, the last bishop of the "usurpation," a Friar named Denis White, surrendered in 1497 to Archbishop Fitzsimons. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1591 - Ulster princes fled from Dublin as the English prevailed&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1741 - enter the "penal days" -- Catholics gathered at Glendalough, at the Seven Churches of St. Kevin, were dispersed.&amp;nbsp; Rebellion against hte English seemed to failed, but Michael Dwyer escaped as did others into the Wicklow mountains.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://irish-rebellions.wikispaces.com/2+-+The+United+Irish+Rising+of+1798"&gt;http://irish-rebellions.wikispaces.com/2+-+The+United+Irish+Rising+of+1798&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So:&amp;nbsp; What if the Gregorian Reforms, see &lt;a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/245503/Gregorian-Reform"&gt;http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/245503/Gregorian-Reform&lt;/a&gt;, with the militance of the Roman branch had confined itself to Italy?&amp;nbsp; No way.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;So down came Ireland, into systemic violence.&amp;nbsp; Is that so?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-7355148124870661287?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7355148124870661287/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=7355148124870661287' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7355148124870661287'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7355148124870661287'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/republic-county-wicklow-glendalough.html' title='GLENDALOUGH, County Wicklow, monastery'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-110736247499548087</id><published>2009-04-14T11:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T11:52:00.658-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Father Murphy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wexford'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vinegar Hill'/><title type='text'>WEXFORD, Vinegar Hill, Father Murphy, County Wexford; Wexford</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw--Y0QkPII/AAAAAAAABdo/nIoJgkXbWNM/s1600-h/irelandmaybevinegarhill.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120520634897808514" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw--Y0QkPII/AAAAAAAABdo/nIoJgkXbWNM/s320/irelandmaybevinegarhill.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Vinegar Hill, Wexford, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Vinegar Hill, a sign on the road south east from Glendalough, on way to Wexford. So we went. See Battle of Vinegar Hill at answers.com/topic/battle-of-vinegar-hill; and the BBC on Vinegar Hill at bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/irish_reb_06.shtml. I believe this was the view from the top, as the hill is not very high, but it looked like this.  No place to try to defend, but the only one around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Vinegar Hill turned out to be a significant one-sided battleground  - between the Irish lads with picks and farm tools, against the English firearms. You can climb the tall hill. A statue of a lad with a pike stands in Wexford.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this site, you can print out the words, then click on the music and sing about the heroic Father Murphy, who sided at first with the English, then saw the devastation and became a hero for the Irish and gave his life with the lads. See Father Murphy at musicanet.org/robokopp/eire/atboolav.htm.  The issue of loyalty to the British or siding with the Irish shattered  families. Sons hung for fighting were ignored by some parents, just as in any deep civil divides.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw_AYUQkPKI/AAAAAAAABd4/nH0xBz6XtbU/s1600-h/geezer.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120522825331129506" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw_AYUQkPKI/AAAAAAAABd4/nH0xBz6XtbU/s320/geezer.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an unnamed elder in our family stuff, not Irish, but he looks like the kind of older generation steeped in commitment to the values in which he was raised.  And perhaps he did not participate with Father Murphy. Maybe he did.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a fine statue of a young man with his hopeless pike to fight against the English, at Wexford. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a happier note, that tourist website there gives some basics on Irish cooking:  Try wexfordtourism.com/recipes.htm.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-110736247499548087?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/110736247499548087/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=110736247499548087' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110736247499548087'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110736247499548087'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2005/02/glendalough-vinegar-hill-and-father.html' title='WEXFORD, Vinegar Hill, Father Murphy, County Wexford; Wexford'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw--Y0QkPII/AAAAAAAABdo/nIoJgkXbWNM/s72-c/irelandmaybevinegarhill.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115911915718882271</id><published>2009-04-13T13:32:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T11:30:14.459-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Otkell'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Surnames'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Butler Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Burnt Njal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scharfe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Icelandic Saga'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='An Scairbh'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='baby names'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='feginn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scariff'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vikings'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fain'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kilkenny'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Old Norse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='son of Skarf'/><title type='text'>KILKENNY, Vikings, and Norse Roots. Burnt Njal, Otkell, Son of Skarf. And An Scairbh</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Kilkenny and Carlow&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/Kilkenny.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/Kilkenny.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Kilkenny - old capital, seat of a parliament. See long history at rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/kilhstry. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One side of our people came from Kilkenny in 1820, but they don't appear on the landowners' map of 1640, see landowners at Kilkenny at rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/landomap.  so fine indigenous folks with long roots in Kilkenny they were not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, we later learned that Skarf and spellings derived, were in Carlow - starting with "Red" in the 16th Century, first recording.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next trip: to Carlow. Not far. See ://www.bytown.net/wexlist.htm/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps we were Viking invader/settlers.  See the fine site on Vikings in Ireland at vikinganswerlady.com/Ireland.shtml. And the map of how far they had come into Ireland even by 800 AD.  rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/ihm/ire800. And then more on Viking settlements at rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/ihm/ire900. Dad's family -with the unlikely Irish name of Scharf - came from Kilkenny. They went to the Ottawa Valley area, Canada, in 1848, and the surname Scharf seems to be from the Old Norse for "cormorant." We claim the Vikings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0008.6.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0008.6.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is the Butler Castle, no relation but a prominent, philanthropic family, Kilkenny.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are many old Irish names with the same Old Norse root - Scariff, On Scairbh. County Clare. See roots of names post at &lt;a href="http://www/orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt; Old Norse roots, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;. Places: irelandmidwest.com/clare/towns/Scariff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a Skarfskerry in northern Scotland, near Orkney.  See &lt;a href="http://www.scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Scotland Road Ways&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Orkney Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;.  There is also Otkell, Son of Skarf in the old Icelandic sagas.  Burnt Njal at &lt;a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ice/njal/njal047.htm"&gt;Otkell Son of Skarf&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See ncte.ie/viking/ for more on Vikings. From that: Vikings have been in Ireland for over a thousand years. They/we settled in at mills and farms, as well as vacationed from the old country plundering it up. We are indeed full Irish. And the odd name, Scharfe - now with an e so the Canadian postmaster in 1900 could differentiate between families - fits. At last. A quasi-identity ersatz heritage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look up any odd Irish name - it also may be Old Norse. See post at &lt;a href="http://www.orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt; Old Norse roots, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Give out the helmets with horns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At Orkney Road Ways, and here at Ireland Road Ways, do look in the labels section to see the cross-references.  For Viking buffs, see the google book, The Story of Burnt Njal, from 1861, at http://books.google.com/books?id=CzkLAAAAQAAJ&amp;amp;dq=Burnt+Njal%27s+Saga+Skarf&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=fFnfSozHkl&amp;amp;sig=86e9XhcSzHdvSZ3MjCNiYGfBv4U&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=Js6lSaqeN9W5twedpo3VBA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ct=result#PPP1,M1/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scroll up, yes, up, from the title page to see a depiction of an Icelandic long house, the skall or hall, and then up even further to see the shield with the motto,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;"BUT A SHORT WHILE IS HAND FAIN OF BLOW&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;BARE BACK WITHOUT BROTHER BEHIND IT."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fain:  from old Norse, feginn, meaning happy.  Then there are old English derivations from foegin, to rejoice, etc. See definition at ://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fain&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Foegin. Feginn.  &lt;/b&gt;The motto on the shield.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does this mean that Fagan the Pickpocket Gang Leader in Oliver Twist was Old Norse, perhaps in the Norman invasion of England, (the Normans being Norse) or with the English further into Ireland with Strongbow?  What's in a name. For recreation, see ://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-CARLOW/1999-11/0941511106/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Baby names.  &lt;/b&gt;Skip the baby sites, at ://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Fagan/  They are pablum.  Get back to the grit. Vikings, Normans, yes! See Orkney connections at &lt;a href="http://orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/2007/02/finding-new-roots-birth-name-with.html"&gt;Orkney Road Ways, Finding New Roots&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115911915718882271?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115911915718882271/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115911915718882271' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115911915718882271'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115911915718882271'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/kilkenny-vikings-and-norse-roots.html' title='KILKENNY, Vikings, and Norse Roots. Burnt Njal, Otkell, Son of Skarf. And An Scairbh'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115888315767858561</id><published>2009-04-12T19:59:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-22T16:08:03.625-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kinsale'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kinsale as culinary center'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Flight of the Earls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Battle of Kinsale'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cork'/><title type='text'>Cork.  KINSALE, County Cork</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Kinsale, Cork&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Flight of the Earls&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0069.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="115" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0069.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kinsale - A port, southern coast; military stronghold.  It also is a center for the arts, history.&amp;nbsp; Kinsale as a culinary center supreme attracts professional and amateur foodies.  See &lt;a href="http://www.cork-guide.ie/kinsale"&gt;http://www.cork-guide.ie/kinsale&lt;/a&gt; .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1601, the Spanish and English defeated the Irish at the Battle of Kinsale. Hugh O'Neill had made the error of moving his Irish troops into Kinsale to fight, and there was a rout - followed by the Flight of the Earls in 1607 - marking an end of the Irish hopes of independence at the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the sad tale of the Flight of the Earls, see &lt;a href="http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/earls.shtm"&gt;http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/earls.shtm&lt;/a&gt;.  Find&amp;nbsp;contemporary documents about it at &lt;a href="http://www.celt.ucc.ie/index"&gt;http://www.celt.ucc.ie/index&lt;/a&gt;, a "Corpus of Electronic Texts (CELT)". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A section concerning the Earls is found at &lt;a href="http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100070/index"&gt;http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100070/index&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a view of the realities of the time, what recourse there may or may not have been, whether the Earls believed Spain would return with them to rout the English, did they realize that Spain's fleet had been decimated earlier, what laws were invoked, made, stretched, detailed sites become overwhelming.&amp;nbsp; To start on this kind of complex fact base, go to (yes) Wikipedia as a beginning framework, at &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Earls"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Earls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What would have been different if they had not fled, on their ship with all those families, out of the Lough in Donegal? Would there have been ever a Plantation, where the Crown planted English, Scottish and Welsh families on escheated lands of the Earls, forfeit?&amp;nbsp; The Earls would have been compelled to live in vastly reduced circumstances after the victory of the English in the rest of Ireland, with their Ulster only remaining, and dominated.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; But would that have been better for the Irish?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our probably Plantation Irish, or were they there before but Protestant already, we would like to ask.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/londonderry-derry.html"&gt;http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2011/10/londonderry-derry.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cork: history at enfo.ie/leaflets/bs31. We enjoyed a day there, but prefer country to cities overall.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115888315767858561?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115888315767858561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115888315767858561' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115888315767858561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115888315767858561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/kinsale-dublin-and-cork.html' title='Cork.  KINSALE, County Cork'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115090847780939659</id><published>2009-04-10T12:45:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:02:21.698-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stone forts'/><title type='text'>PREHISTORY - stone forts</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/irestonefort.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/irestonefort.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;Prehistoric stone fort, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Along with the standing stones, there are also burial mounds, chambers and - here - a stone fort built with no mortar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See prehistoric structures at ://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/seanchlocha7.htm/ There are fine photos and history here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This one is round, and is still well standing, a large circle of high walls and walkways, and rooms within the walls, space for villages and livestock to find refuge from invaders, coming up from the sea in the distance. See Ireland's archeology at mockingbird.creighton.edu/english/micsun/irishresources/archaeol.htm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a fine site for the history of Ireland, with maps: rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/ihm/index.htm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Follow the small signs by the road to see what you will see. Stone circles, stone forts, standing stones.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115090847780939659?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115090847780939659/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115090847780939659' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090847780939659'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115090847780939659'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/prehistoric-ireland-stone-forts.html' title='PREHISTORY - stone forts'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-9086518315796436365</id><published>2009-04-10T12:00:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-12T11:21:42.593-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mizen Head'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Cork'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cork'/><title type='text'>Cork.  MIZEN HEAD, peninsula, County Cork</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rnk5FAR-kEI/AAAAAAAAAkc/iGwHEcXZP18/s1600-h/Moher.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="268" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5078152812974477378" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rnk5FAR-kEI/AAAAAAAAAkc/iGwHEcXZP18/s400/Moher.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Mizen Head, Southern Tip, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the most southwesterly point of Ireland, on a peninsula. Find a light signal station and displays here, sea caves, waterspouts, &lt;br /&gt;see &lt;a href="http://www.myguideireland.com/mizen-head/"&gt;http://www.myguideireland.com/mizen-head/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This would have been the last sighting of land for Irish immigrants heading to America.&amp;nbsp; The walk to the observation area passes sites for varied flowers, whale-sightings, dolphins, see &lt;a href="http://www.mizenhead.net/"&gt;http://www.mizenhead.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Get to the farthest-out points in a country, as far as you can get - we aim for the extremes: see John O'Groats in Scotland,&amp;nbsp;and Land's End in England. And Gdynia, Poland. Sapanta, Romania.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-9086518315796436365?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/9086518315796436365/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=9086518315796436365' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/9086518315796436365'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/9086518315796436365'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/04/republic-county-cork-mizen-head.html' title='Cork.  MIZEN HEAD, peninsula, County Cork'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rnk5FAR-kEI/AAAAAAAAAkc/iGwHEcXZP18/s72-c/Moher.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-7615412789756819532</id><published>2009-04-09T16:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:17:02.260-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parking lot protocol'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='police and theft'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parking lot theft'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='murder hole'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='passport replacement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blarney'/><title type='text'>BLARNEY CASTLE, County Cork:  murder hole</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/BlarneyC.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/BlarneyC.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Blarney Castle, Blarney, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Blarney for most is a delightful experience. Famous castle. See blarneycastle.ie.&amp;nbsp; Such a fine place to come back to the parking lot, and find the luggage gone. Infamous to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;A little theft to spice the day.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, let it go, contact the police, do the forms, it all works out.  Buy another chapstick.  For stolen or lost passports, here are the contacts: travel.state.gov/law/info/info_623.  There are ways to expedite. See passportsandvisas.com/passport/lost.asp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Parking lot protocol.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp; Never, ever, leave a window cracked open even a little. And put away the maps and junk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You will be identifiable as a tourist from the license plate, but you will be a less stupid one. At least one of you keep cash, a plane ticket and passport in a waistpack. If you do see a red van in the lot, with people eying you out of darkened windows, park instead right at the ticket booth. The lady is in my tan 9 1/2 hiking boots.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;And now:&amp;nbsp; The Stone.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; Blarney is famous for its Blarney stone, and there really is one. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/scan0065.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/scan0065.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing Kissing the Blarney Stone, Blarney Castle, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a site for the history of the stone, and the gift of gab it bestows: sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/blarney_stone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't even think how many lips have kissed that thing. Just be romantic. We cheered our immune systems on. We worried not a whit about germs in the great outdoors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But far better for our historical research purposes is the Murder Hole:  See  castlesontheweb.com/glossary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/danmurderhole.0.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/danmurderhole.0.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing approaching the Murder Hole, Blarney Castle, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This bit of architectural military defense brilliance is just inside the portcullis, the grated big gate that lowers just over the drawbridge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a matching grated gate about 20 feet beyond, before you get into the main courtyard. You are trapped. Then, look up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a hole up there. And people about to pour boiling  water and oil and rocks,  and sling arrows upon your head.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In some castles, the tale tells of the women in the solarium, the large room on the sun-side of the castle, looking down to the great hall beneath, and with big fireplaces for themselves and children.&amp;nbsp; The women heated the water and hurled the stones as needed.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-7615412789756819532?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7615412789756819532/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=7615412789756819532' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7615412789756819532'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7615412789756819532'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/10/blarney-copsn-robbers-and-murder-hole.html' title='BLARNEY CASTLE, County Cork:  murder hole'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115885078376716826</id><published>2009-04-09T10:52:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:21:27.294-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='famine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Skibbereen'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='memorial'/><title type='text'>SKIBBEREEN, County Cork:  Famine, depopulation, immigration</title><content type='html'>Famine. Greed. A kind of genocide for its day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See rootsweb.com/%7Eirlkik/ihm/ire1841.htm.  The BBC gives information on whether the famine in Ireland was preventable - food available, but deflected by the powers to England or other places, not to the locals bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/famine_07.shtml.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is Skibbereen.  Southeast corner of Ireland. A focal point of the 1840's famine years, and with its extensive memorial. See skibbheritage.com/famine.htm.  A personalized view of the famine is at //www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/irishfamine.  This site offers first-hand accounts, by people at the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0063.1.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0063.1.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Skibbereen, Famine Cemetery, County Cork, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is hard to know whether a particular ruin is related to the famine. Perhaps just abandoned with changing property lines. But empty homes and farms haunt fields and towns everywhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/ireabandfarmruin.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/ireabandfarmruin.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /&gt;Abandoned farmstead, ruin, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115885078376716826?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115885078376716826/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115885078376716826' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115885078376716826'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115885078376716826'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/skibbereen-and-inland-famine.html' title='SKIBBEREEN, County Cork:  Famine, depopulation, immigration'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2376931090021019216</id><published>2009-04-08T12:22:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-13T10:53:20.276-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church as fitness center'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='repurposed church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church as restaurant'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vestry Restaurant'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kerry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ring of Kerry'/><title type='text'>Kerry.  RING OF KERRY, Converted churches, Ireland</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;IRELAND'S SOUTH-WESTERN PENINSULAS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DINGLE&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;INGERAGH (RING OF KERRY)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BEARA&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are several western-reaching peninsulas in south-western Ireland:&amp;nbsp; The Dingle Peninsula, The Inveragh Peninsula with its Ring of Kerry route; and the Beara Peninsula, West Cork.&amp;nbsp; We focus here on Kerry. These areas are touched by the Gulf Stream,&amp;nbsp;with all the varieties of plants, animals, that allows. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; The Dingle,&amp;nbsp;the northern peninsula,&amp;nbsp;is less traveled, and we think, the loveliest. Start at Tralee, and go all the way out past the town of Dingle, and see views of Great Blasket Island and the Atlantic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. &amp;nbsp; Beara Peninsula, the southern one, boasts Mizen Head, the farthest Irish point tip south,&amp;nbsp;out in the Atlantic .  We went through Bantry, visited Mizen Head, then back to&amp;nbsp;Skibbereen at its southern access route on the mainland.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The Ring of Kerry is a 125 mile&amp;nbsp;route around the Inveragh Peninsula, on a road most use that is now also a well-traveled N70.&amp;nbsp; Start at Killarney, through Killorglin, Glenbeigh, Kells. Caherviceen, with Valentia and Portmagee out a peninsula there at the end; around to another nice diversion to Ballinskelligs castle and views of the Skellig islands; Waterville, Caherdaniel (Daniel? See speculations about Tribe of Dan, Tuatha de Danaan, etc), Castlecove, Sneem, and Kenmare.&amp;nbsp; See videos at &lt;a href="http://www.dochara.com/tour/itineraries/ring-of-kerry-tour/"&gt;http://www.dochara.com/tour/itineraries/ring-of-kerry-tour/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Start early - before 10, if you plan to stop and enjoy.&amp;nbsp; We misjudged the time we would want and got back through a mountainous area at dusk.&amp;nbsp; Not a good idea. If you are late starting, then do the mountain area first, with the flatland at dusk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;RING OF KERRY&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the way there, see signs of changing times. Repurposed churches without congregations but with new uses. These were near the Ring of Kerry, Dingle Peninsula, but still on the  mainland.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One repurposed church is now a fitness, exercise center.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/chfitness.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="297" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/chfitness.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Repurposed church, Ring of Kerry, Ireland. Church as fitness center.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another, at Templenoe, Kenmare, is a restaurant and bar - a pub&amp;nbsp;called "The Vestry," &amp;nbsp;"Open  Daily Till Late."  The restaurant advertises at &lt;a href="http://propertyireland.net/kerry/the-vestry-templenoe-kenmare-co-kerry-ireland-18th-century-church-run-as-a-fully-licensed-restaurant-with-sea-views/"&gt;http://propertyireland.net/kerry/the-vestry-templenoe-kenmare-co-kerry-ireland-18th-century-church-run-as-a-fully-licensed-restaurant-with-sea-views/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/scan0007.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/scan0007.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/scan0007.jpg"&gt;Templenoe, Kenmare,&amp;nbsp;Repurposed church, Ring of Kerry, "The Vestry" pub, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2376931090021019216?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2376931090021019216/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2376931090021019216' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2376931090021019216'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2376931090021019216'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/10/fitness-and-conviviality-churches.html' title='Kerry.  RING OF KERRY, Converted churches, Ireland'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-7266513602716138213</id><published>2009-04-06T12:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:37:32.652-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stone roof'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stone house'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thatching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='thatch'/><title type='text'>STONE HOUSES; stone roof,</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/1600/stoneroof.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3177/1253/320/stoneroof.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Stone house, stone roof, Ireland &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People who live in stone houses should never throw glass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an active residence, with stone walls and a fully stone roof. Stone roofs like these are not mere stone tiles.  The closest close-up picture I could find for these free-form stone is from Croatia at treklens.com/gallery/Europe/Croatia/photo191489.htm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see that even modular homes in US are being made of stone, with interesting construction t echniqes like slipform.  See US stone construction at hollowtop.com/cls_html/do-it-yourself/stone_masonry.htm; and at northcoast.com/%7Etms/stone.html. No connection to these people, just interesting to read what they do.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-7266513602716138213?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7266513602716138213/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=7266513602716138213' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7266513602716138213'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/7266513602716138213'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/10/people-in-stone-houses-should-not-throw.html' title='STONE HOUSES; stone roof,'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-4872895451137739407</id><published>2009-04-06T11:30:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-13T11:01:31.539-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ring of Kerry. County Kerry'/><title type='text'>Kerry, RING OF KERRY, Mountains, Caherdaniel, Stone Fort, County Kerry</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/ireringkerry.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="253" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/ireringkerry.jpg" style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" width="400" /&gt;Ring of Kerry, mountain view,&amp;nbsp; Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;The Ring of Kerry is a scenic route around one of the peninsulas south of Limerick.  See Ring of Kerry, with music, at &lt;a href="http://users.zetnet.co.uk/gsivills/gskerry.html"&gt;http://users.zetnet.co.uk/gsivills/gskerry.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Here,&amp;nbsp;folks having a good time: &lt;a href="http://jessajune.com/photos/2002/ireland/ringkerry.html"&gt;http://jessajune.com/photos/2002/ireland/ringkerry.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cahirdaniel: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-4872895451137739407?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/4872895451137739407/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=4872895451137739407' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4872895451137739407'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4872895451137739407'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/republic-ring-of-kerry-county-kerry.html' title='Kerry, RING OF KERRY, Mountains, Caherdaniel, Stone Fort, County Kerry'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-483063258861879778</id><published>2009-04-05T12:59:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:36:53.508-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='County Kerry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Carrigafoyle Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cromwell'/><title type='text'>CARRIGAFOYLE CASTLE, County Kerry:</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/iregapecastle.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/iregapecastle.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;Carrigafoyle Castle, County Kerry, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;Ruins of castles are all over, gaping as you go by.  This one is Carrigafoyle, also 15th century, on the Shannon River west of Ballylongford, and finally defeated by the cannons of Cromwell. See reference.com/browse/wiki/Ballylongford. There also had been other battles. More of its stormy history at irelandseye.com/aarticles/travel/attractions/castles/crgafoyl.shtm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We started with, "See a castle, go in." But that is impossible.  Too many. Take care. They are wide open, no guard rails, no nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What caused the destruction:&amp;nbsp; largely Cromwell from England and his cannon. He landed in Ireland in 1649 to quell the Irish revolt that began in 1641.&amp;nbsp; Bloody, ruthless.&amp;nbsp; See ://www.doyle.com.au/cromwell.htm&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-483063258861879778?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/483063258861879778/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=483063258861879778' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/483063258861879778'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/483063258861879778'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/04/republic-county-kerry-carrigafoyle.html' title='CARRIGAFOYLE CASTLE, County Kerry:'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-110736237523146113</id><published>2009-04-05T11:30:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:43:40.213-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='driving tips'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cows in road'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sheep in road'/><title type='text'>DRIVING:  Sharing roads with animals; passing; driving on the left, and courtesies</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0002.0.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0002.0.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Cows in the road, near Galway, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roads are excellent between main towns - many motorways, but most are 2 to 2 1/2 lanes.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0009.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0009.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;Sheep in the road, Ring of Kerry, Dingle Peninsula, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Animals are leisurely in the road.  Sheep and cattle, some goats.  Markings of red or blue are for ownership.  They do not move.  We saw none hit. Drivers take the necessary care.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mantra for driving on the left: Center line to the right elbow. Center line to the right elbow.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;Roads:  see driving in Ireland at iol.ie/%7Ediscover/driving.htm.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;Watch your left hubcaps.  Easy to hit curbs.  See also rules of the road at driving.drive-alive.co.uk/driving-in-ireland.htm.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Passing on one lane roads:  Watch for the tall flag that means a lay-by.  When you see a car coming, the car nearest the lay-by backs up, or pulls over and waits. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Passing on three lane or two lane roads:&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Car behind will tailgate.  This is not necessarily rude. Tailgating usually signals a desire to pass. The slower car pulls to the side, over halfway on the berm and keeps driving while the faster car whips out and partway over the middle line and passes, then whips back.  Passing is done fast with little leeway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The passing car should not have to go entirely into the oncoming traffic lane at all, as we always do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Traffic circles.  The one in the circle has the right-of-way, so never barge in.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Learn the international traffic signs. Your guidebook should have a page on that. They are not necessarily intuitive.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-110736237523146113?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/110736237523146113/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=110736237523146113' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110736237523146113'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/110736237523146113'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2005/02/driving-sharing-roads-with-animals.html' title='DRIVING:  Sharing roads with animals; passing; driving on the left, and courtesies'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-115092191622510951</id><published>2009-04-04T16:22:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-09T07:20:06.059-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rock of Cashel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kings of Munster'/><title type='text'>ROCK OF CASHEL, County Tipperary:  Kings of Munster</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/RockCashel.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" height="165" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/RockCashel.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" width="400" /&gt;Rock of Cashel, County Tipperary, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This Tipperary site was the seat of Kings of Munster as early as the 5th century, when Saint Patrick baptized King Aengus. See Cashel overview at &lt;a href="http://sitesatlas.com/Europe/Ireland/RockOfCashel.htm"&gt;http://sitesatlas.com/Europe/Ireland/RockOfCashel.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Then the Rock site was given to the Church in 1101, and it became an Abbey.  Cromwell's soldiers and cannons from England came in 1647 and there was a massacre. See &lt;a href="http://comhaltas.com/bru/Cashel.htm"&gt;http://comhaltas.com/bru/Cashel.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is restored, much of the medieval section is standing, and the guides help sort out the Romanesque from other architectures.  Films, education centers. See photos at &lt;a href="http://bamjam.net/Ireland/Cashel.html"&gt;http://bamjam.net/Ireland/Cashel.html&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Full history narrative: &lt;em&gt;The Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly&lt;/em&gt;, written from the institutional&amp;nbsp;perspective, at &lt;a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm"&gt;http://homepage.eircom.net/~cashelemly/acesaint.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/" name="2940"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/" name="ejj"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="mdblk"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Illuminated manuscripts: 7th - 11th century  AD&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Irish monks of the 7th and 8th century create illuminated  manuscripts which are among the greatest treasures of Celtic and early Christian  art. See &lt;a href="http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70#ixzz1XUAZn4m3" style="color: #003399;"&gt;http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac70#ixzz1XUAZn4m3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-115092191622510951?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115092191622510951/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=115092191622510951' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115092191622510951'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/115092191622510951'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/rock-of-cashel.html' title='ROCK OF CASHEL, County Tipperary:  Kings of Munster'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-114910591886004330</id><published>2009-04-04T16:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T13:50:07.490-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fields surround old churches'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church ruins'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depopulation'/><title type='text'>DEPOPULATION. Churches in fields: ruins, depopulation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/cattlechruin.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/cattlechruin.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Old church ruin, pasture, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ruins of past lives. See many ruined homesteads, churches, abandoned settlements.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A church in a field with the flock outside, not inside.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look at the depopulation figures from 1849-1901, at ://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&amp;amp;res=9C05E5D61F38E733A2575AC2A9609C946097D6CF/&amp;nbsp; From eight million souls to three million in that time, roughly. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/chfitness.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-114910591886004330?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/114910591886004330/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=114910591886004330' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/114910591886004330'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/114910591886004330'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/05/churches-in-fields-and-as-pubs-modern.html' title='DEPOPULATION. Churches in fields: ruins, depopulation'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-5366050794089582256</id><published>2008-10-12T13:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-03T10:17:21.922-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pointe du Hoc'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Washington Monument'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tall memorials'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='standing stones'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prehistory'/><title type='text'>PREHISTORY. Standing Stones: Ireland  and Symbolism, Setting the Pace</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;PREHISTORY&lt;b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ancient and Modern Standing Stones&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pillar Stones&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ogam Stones&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a millenia-old monument, Ireland. Trying to find exactly where. The one at the Hill of Tara is smoother, see information on the ancient Tara coronation site, at www.megalithicireland.com/Hill%20of%20Tara.htm, so this is not it. Note the Celtic runes. Would also like to translate that. Do a search for Standing Stones, Ireland, and see how many there are.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-1NUQkO_I/AAAAAAAABcg/9jtdP_bDhJ0/s1600-h/irelandstandingstonephal.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120510541724662770" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-1NUQkO_I/AAAAAAAABcg/9jtdP_bDhJ0/s320/irelandstandingstonephal.jpg" style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;Standing Stone, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This looks similar to the Long Stone at Kildare, Forenaughts Great, see Irish Pillar Stones and Cross-Pillars, at http://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/pillarstones.htm/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Modern Standing Stones.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See Pointe du Hoc, Normandy, France, where the Rangers scaled high cliffs on D-Day, with terrible losses. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A modern standing stone, as phallic as all the rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-2eUQkPBI/AAAAAAAABcw/6k0hua5u2CI/s1600-h/pdhmempoint.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120511933294066706" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-2eUQkPBI/AAAAAAAABcw/6k0hua5u2CI/s320/pdhmempoint.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Standing Stone, Pointe du Hoc, France&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-2HUQkPAI/AAAAAAAABco/wFPpJfWp38I/s1600-h/DSCN0537.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5120511538157075458" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-2HUQkPAI/AAAAAAAABco/wFPpJfWp38I/s320/DSCN0537.JPG" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Standing Stone, Washington Monument, Washington DC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also the Columbus monument, Madrid, Spain; and Lord Nelson up top at Trafalgar Square, London. Tall memorials all, standing for what they stand for. Symbolism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The shape foisting itself on the ages. See other examples of the shape at Nationmaster, ://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Phallus/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See other Irish standing stones, in formation or alone, at Stonepages.com, at ://www.stonepages.com/ireland/ireland.html/&amp;nbsp; For more on these, also known as Pillar Stones, or Ogam Stones, see Irish Megaliths at ://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/pillarstones.htm&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-5366050794089582256?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5366050794089582256/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=5366050794089582256' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5366050794089582256'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/5366050794089582256'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/10/standing-stones-ireland-setting-pace-in.html' title='PREHISTORY. Standing Stones: Ireland  and Symbolism, Setting the Pace'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Rw-1NUQkO_I/AAAAAAAABcg/9jtdP_bDhJ0/s72-c/irelandstandingstonephal.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-4791308797511878955</id><published>2008-01-19T17:13:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-10-28T19:15:57.705-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the halfway house'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='WC'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blarney castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blarney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Themes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the necessary'/><title type='text'>THEMES.  WC - The Necessaries of the World - Blarney</title><content type='html'>THEMES.  With travel, come recurrent topics, how people solve common problems, for example.  Here, the necessary, the WC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R5J28nNXTgI/AAAAAAAACSo/oNo86OjMniw/s1600-h/irelandblarneywc2.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5157315306981903874" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R5J28nNXTgI/AAAAAAAACSo/oNo86OjMniw/s320/irelandblarneywc2.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Blarney Castle, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Blarney Castle&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The name "Blarney" has acquired such a cozy sound, with all the jokes about the Blarney, or acquiring the gift of the gab, the wheeling talk, see definition at://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blarney at Blarney Stone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, it is a formidable defense structure,&amp;nbsp; and foreboding.  See it from a distance at other posts, that discuss parking lot theft issues, the fine Blarney Stone and the murder hole,  at &lt;a href="http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2006/10/blarney-copsn-robbers-and-murder-hole.html"&gt;Ireland Road Ways, Blarney Castle&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The topic here, however, is the ubiquitous WC.  The necessary. The halfway house. What did people in castles do, from London Tower to the Rhine, to anywhere, to relieve their medieval selves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They sat and out it all went, down the side, into the moat, into the river, hoping the tides will come in enough.  Look there on the side - the place for it.  Convenient, no need to go outside where the enemies are and the stairs are inconvenient at night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go ahead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Others are at &lt;a href="http://draft.blogger.com/%20http://europeroadwaysthemes.blogspot.com/2008/01/wc-necssary.html"&gt;Europe Road Ways, Themes, WC&lt;/a&gt;. See also the castles on the Rhine in Germany.&amp;nbsp; Look for the little room overhanging the river. See London Tower - recall that its moat used to come and go with the tides.&amp;nbsp; And look up.&amp;nbsp; There it is - hoping for the tides.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-4791308797511878955?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/4791308797511878955/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=4791308797511878955' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4791308797511878955'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/4791308797511878955'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2008/01/wc-necessaries-of-world-blarney.html' title='THEMES.  WC - The Necessaries of the World - Blarney'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R5J28nNXTgI/AAAAAAAACSo/oNo86OjMniw/s72-c/irelandblarneywc2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-2353596950865068376</id><published>2008-01-02T15:46:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2009-10-28T19:18:19.942-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='immigration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='migration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='minority issues'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethnicity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ireland'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Irish Traveler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gypsies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='migrations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='roots'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='language'/><title type='text'>MIGRATIONS. ETHNICITY. The Travelers in Great Britain - Ireland's Gypsies, Roma</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Migrations. Ethnicity. Minority issues. Cross all boundaries.  Here, Gypsies, or Roma in Ireland.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R3v4hXNXSfI/AAAAAAAACJM/pzxX76I-MG0/s1600-h/scan0025.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5150983850877733362" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R3v4hXNXSfI/AAAAAAAACJM/pzxX76I-MG0/s320/scan0025.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Irish Traveler Wagon, Tourist Kitsch substitute for the real thing, now seldom seen. Clip-clop for hire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How an old culture gets trivialized.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gypsies or Roma in Ireland are known as "Travellers," according to sites that connect them to groups elsewhere in the British Isles. But they are seen as "gypsies" by those who see them here as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;indigenous&lt;/span&gt;, not the product of migrations from India or elsewhere, and connected to their own &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Irish&lt;/span&gt; history, see below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before we get there, see how this proud people's tradition diminishes when there is money to be made, by others, off it. Look at the diminution, the commercializing of this country's population of Travelers or gypsies, the gypsies or Roma in other countries. Here are tourists who pay to sit in a wagon while the horse plods to the next town and the next, to the set place for the night. This romanticizing lets us close our eyes to what really has happened - the hounding, the denigration, the maligning, and in the Holocaust, the slaughter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nomadic groups have lived in Ireland for centuries, on the margins, hardly visible, see //www.qub.ac.uk/schools/SchoolofEnglish/imperial/ireland/travellers. Read "Irish Travellers: Culture and Ethnicity, cited at the website,.Eds. McCann et al. Belfast: Institute of Irish Studies, 1994, 95-109). One of their points is this: that the settling of Travellers (usually by legislation) and forcing them away from their itinerant customs and connections, results in people on state welfare - they are cut off from their trades, the itinerant recycling, repair, recycling, other work they did, among other reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Roots if Irish Gypsies. &lt;/span&gt;Their roots may be different from the mainland European Roma, see //www.indymedia.ie/article/68053, in that the Irish groups are probably indigenous rather than stemming from migrations out of India a millennia ago. They could be connected to the time-after-time upheavals, the destruction of monasteries and their populations, the famines leaving people on the roads, the land-use policies pushing people off their traditional farms, warfare, and the like. And the groups in Ireland interact little with each other - divided as Travellers vs. the settled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Language&lt;/span&gt; - the Language of the Irish Traveller also sets them apart from mainland European groups: a form of Gaelic, not with roots apparently from the Indo areas. See ://www.indymedia.ie/article/68053.  Still, much in the mists, little demonstrable with much certainty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Politics/ Migration issues.&lt;/span&gt;  England's Tories are unhappy with Irish Travelers coming over to England where there may be more loopholes for living, and setting up in England with "illegal pitches" or camping sites.  But the BBC points out that there are too few "legal" pitch sites. Where are the people to go?  See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4365287.stm. There is a Gypsy and Traveller Law Reform Coalition, with an Andrew Ryder coordinating, trying to help, at least.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Each country has its own stories to tell - too much for each country's site, so please visit our interest in gypsies at &lt;a href="http://www.gypsiesroma.blogspot.com/"&gt;Gypsies, Roma, Romani&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look at the posts for "Travelers," as these groups do not identify closely with any others from mainland Europe, even after migrating to the US and elsewhere. And treat them with respect, and see there is healthcare and sustenance for all of us, whatever our roots.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-2353596950865068376?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2353596950865068376/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=2353596950865068376' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2353596950865068376'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/2353596950865068376'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2008/01/travelers-in-great-britain-gypsies-roma.html' title='MIGRATIONS. ETHNICITY. The Travelers in Great Britain - Ireland&apos;s Gypsies, Roma'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R3v4hXNXSfI/AAAAAAAACJM/pzxX76I-MG0/s72-c/scan0025.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-297981852963503316</id><published>2007-11-24T19:01:00.011-05:00</published><updated>2010-08-07T08:01:40.456-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Otkell son of Skarf'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scarf'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scharfe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SkarfR'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Burnt Njall&apos;s Saga'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='iron work'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cormorant'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='longbow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norse surname'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Skarf in runes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scharf'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='blacksmith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geneology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='scarf joint'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Norse migrations'/><title type='text'>NORSE SURNAME. MIGRATIONS. Scarf - Scharfe - Scharf - Scariff.  Ironworking; Cormorant SkarfR . Norse. forge name connections</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;NORSE SURNAME, MIGRATIONS. Scariff. SkarfR. Norse to Ireland&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Connections to Cormorants; and where they nested, irony-shaley places.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R7aBqZbPTvI/AAAAAAAACkI/F14hpQc0WvU/s1600-h/scan0006.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167460187833847538" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R7aBqZbPTvI/AAAAAAAACkI/F14hpQc0WvU/s320/scan0006.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Scharfe family farm, Ottawa, Canada - Adam and Teressa&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Family occupations in memory.&amp;nbsp; Dairy, and Clydesdales for the farm and the city to pull the trolley. And Norse. Somewhere, back there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;With a name like Scharfe, we have to be odd.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;What kind of name is that? Are you related to the &lt;i&gt;Scaifes&lt;/i&gt;? No, but their mail sometimes came to us.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Ancestors from Kilkenny &lt;/span&gt;-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The family lore said Irish most recently, but the name sounded German - scharfe for sharp.&amp;nbsp; Tracking for recreational reasons, we find John and Anne in 1848, from Kilkenny, arriving in Ottawa, and their descendants took off from there - see Hazeldean Cemetery. The land of the farm is still there but the house burned in the 1940's we think. Just ampty land.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Old Norse.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also then found Viking roots to the name - not unusual, given the history of that wandering-settling-trading-raiding-group.Norway has a mountain, Skarfjellig; and there are runes to explore -- SKARF in runes with each rune having a meaning, see &lt;a href="http://norwayroadways.blogspot.com/2010/06/skarf-skarfjellet-scharfe-norse-surname.html"&gt;Norway Road Ways, SKARF&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many probably raided first, then settled in Ireland - see their mills there, and replicas of their villages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recreational lookbacks into names - a diversion for us, looking up an unusual maiden name, Scharfe. Skarf. Scaife evolved. Scarf. Scharf. Six of one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the Scaife branch were better financial planners. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Iceland.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Were all of us stems of the root clans in The Burnt Njal Icelandic Saga?&amp;nbsp; There find Otkell, Son of Skarf and more Skarfs - see "&lt;i&gt;The Story of Burnt Njal, or Life in Iceland at the End of the Ninth Century, "&lt;/i&gt; by George Webb Dissent in 1861, at a Google Book, with this very long URL, but worth it because of the coat of arms and illustration there - at ://books.google.com/books?id=CzkLAAAAQAAJ&amp;amp;pg=PA181&amp;amp;lpg=PA181&amp;amp;dq=Burn+Njall+skarf&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ots=fFndMpzEdo&amp;amp;sig=05GMmUmY8njiXSk0mc1R84J3cQw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;resnum=6&amp;amp;ct=result/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read the story at the Icelandic Saga Database, at ://www.sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en - Skarf at Chapters 47-48. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sa6FVKN_7BI/AAAAAAAAGyE/zudazTTRiiA/s1600-h/irelandscariffsign.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sa6FVKN_7BI/AAAAAAAAGyE/zudazTTRiiA/s320/irelandscariffsign.jpg" /&gt;Scariff, An Scairbh, Ireland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;Another distant (not personally known) relative found a memorial near An Scairbh that traced the name back to the 1500's -&amp;nbsp; somebody named Red. Fantasy says we are related to Eric the Red. Everyone needs fantasy.&amp;nbsp; Go to All in a name. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Canada embellished us.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "e" was  added arbitarily in the early 1900's  in the Ottawa Valley, Ottawa, Canada. The only reason was to help the poor postal worker who had all the Scharfs to deal with.&amp;nbsp; Adam made us different with a stroke of a directive. Always helpful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They were good folks, think their progeny's progeny's progeny.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Back to the Old Norse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Skarfs and Cormorants and Icelandic Saga.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Old Norse. We earlier found connections with the skarf-scarf-scharf-scharfe group in Orkney - old Norse for cormorant, or the shaley cliff or other rocky places where they nested. See &lt;a href="http://orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/2006/08/stromness-and-family-name-norse.html"&gt;Orkney Road Ways - Scarf / Cormorant&lt;/a&gt;. See that site also for the Skarf in an old Norse Icelandic Saga. Meet Burnt Njall, meet Otkell, son of Skarf.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SkarfR - in the Runes, see ://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#Hedin, and scroll down to SkarfR.&amp;nbsp; Cormorant, or Skari, small sea gull.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Scarfs and the Bowman, The Fletcher, the Longbow Arrow -&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The arrow of the longbow - the best ones - were made of both ash and oak:&amp;nbsp; ash at the feather or fletched end, oak at the steel tip or bodkin end.&amp;nbsp; The join between the ash part of the arrow and the oak was called the scarf - and the gluing and varnishing made the scarfed joint.&amp;nbsp; See Agincourt at &lt;a href="http://worldwar1worldwar2.blogspot.com/2009/03/agincourt-somme-area-france-1415.html"&gt;Studying War: World War 1, World War 2, Other Wars: Sites, History&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Scarfs and Blacksmithing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we find a blacksmith  connection: a scarf joint. Here is a description of a blacksmith doing one near Houston TX 2003: the Houston Area Iron Fest at 222.habairon.org/Interviews/&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: VERDANA; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Metalworking&lt;/b&gt;: In summary, this is how you rough in a "scarf."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;take two half-inch square bars, do an "upset" where the join is to be, at 5/8" inch.  The angle of the "upset" and the anvil edge should be 30 degrees, keeping the opposite end away from the anvil's face, far end down. Hammer the overlap, making something called a "shearing" action where the cross section is. Soon it starts to separate, so lower the angle - some 45 degrees until it gets to about 60 degrees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, clean it up, add dimension in the "off" sides. See the scarf bulge in the "plane of the tongue" and forge it back so it looks like a duck head. Both ends to be joined are now forged in "like scarfs" and bury them in a coke forge.  Head up. Soak until you have 2800 degrees F.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, put tongs on opposite ends from the scarfs (note these are not scarves). Then pull both out at the same time, shake so the scale falls off. Rotate and bring the scarf head down and  here we do a fair use quote of a bit:&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: VERDANA; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: times new roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...[H]e then pressed the two scarfs into their yen and yang positions, he dropped the tongs us was using to hold the piece to his right, picked up his hammer and gave the joint a series of fast strikes, sending sparks flying. It was now forge welded together. Before more seconds passed he reinserted the bar into the forge and brought it up to forging temperature again, but not up to 2800 F as before. Once the steel could be seen to be molten on the surface while peering into the forge, it was pulled out and more rapid, short stroke blows given, tumbling the piece. This “wash weld” served to erase any remnant of a forge weld line still visible. Essentially, the molecules of the two pieces were now intermingled such that no forge line was visible because it didn’t exist any longer! Voila! Forge weld without flux and without a forge line. It was not necessarily remarkable, but most smiths present had never seen it accomplished before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several smiths looked at the piece attempting to discern where the weld was, but in vain. You’d need an electron microscope to see the union point now."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: verdana;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: VERDANA; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/10267753-297981852963503316?l=irelandroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/297981852963503316/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10267753&amp;postID=297981852963503316' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/297981852963503316'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/10267753/posts/default/297981852963503316'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://irelandroadways.blogspot.com/2007/11/scarf-scharfe-scharf-ironworking-norse.html' title='NORSE SURNAME. MIGRATIONS. Scarf - Scharfe - Scharf - Scariff.  Ironworking; Cormorant SkarfR . Norse. forge name connections'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/R7aBqZbPTvI/AAAAAAAACkI/F14hpQc0WvU/s72-c/scan0006.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10267753.post-1235775011634534346</id><published>2007-10-25T14:25:00.066-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-15T12:15:59.889-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Maurice Edwin McConaghey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Surnames'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Foster McConaghy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pynnars Survey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McClure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='McConaghey'/><title type='text'>Donegal. SURNAMES, MIGRATIONS. McConaghy:  Matthew McConaghy 1789 and Descendants</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;SURNAMES, MIGRATIONS. MACONOCHIE&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;Scotland, to Ireland, and Global.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Tale of Two Diasporas - Diasporae&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;McConaghy's and spelling variations: McConnaghy, McConaghey&lt;br /&gt;In Scotland, the Ulster Plantation, and The Mix &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Surname migration&lt;br /&gt;A. Diasporas&lt;br /&gt;B. Specifics - Maurice Edwin McConaghey&lt;br /&gt;C. Ancients to Modern Overview&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II.&amp;nbsp; Family Roots&lt;br /&gt;I. Surname migrations. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A. We are tracing two diasporas - of an comparatively uncommon surname, McConaghy, in Ireland and Scotland.&amp;nbsp; Variations: McConaghy, MacConaghy, McConnaghy, Maconochie, McConaghey, and on withspread as spellings changed.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Find e's added and subtracted, c's for g's, e's for y's.&amp;nbsp; The name now is not only in the British Isles, but in Australia, South Africa, Egypt,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;the US, and with military&amp;nbsp;in two World Wars and other wars. Matthew McConaghy b.1780;&amp;nbsp; sons James Foster McConaghy and Robert McClure McConaghy; Robert McClure McConaghy had six children, including Robert McClure McConaghy (Jr? II?) b.1877&amp;nbsp;who married Louise Lucinda Brien (Hilliard b.1877); they had five surviving&amp;nbsp;children, including my mother, Marjorie McConaghy. And pages more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Researching:  It takes a family starter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Our McConaghy records and research is from a family archivist, Violet, a splendid human being, now up in years. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We have a number of her letters, logs, research papers; and visited St. Johnston and other family locales. Another cousin has written a narrative with sources. Our correspondence with Violet began in the 1970's; the recent cousin's work is still in progress. Anything we found from the internet is labeled. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;B. Specifics&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We chose one, Maurice, who was born to a military-medical family&amp;nbsp;in Her Majesty's Service in India, went to Sandhurst, received his officer's commission and served in the Boer Wars; then in WWI where he was killed at Arras, France.&amp;nbsp; We visited his grave there, and also there began our keen interest in his life experiences.&amp;nbsp; Details of the family tree follow, since 1785 or so in Donegal starting; but that is of interest only to us.&amp;nbsp; For anyone else, meet Maurice. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lt. Col. Maurice Edwin McConaghey b.1877; son of John McConaghy b.1849 and grandson of Rev. John McConaghy b.1812 and great-grandson of Matthew McConaghy b.1780; here at age 10, with brothers John Cunningham McConaghy and Laurence Edgar McConaghy, all then of Westward Ho! Devon; Maurice added the "e" to McConaghy as an adult, to differentiate his military record in the Royal Scots Fusiliers, from his cousin, William McConaghy b.1881, a surgeon in the WWI medical corps. Maurice appears at the far left.  He married and lived in Londonderry with his wife, Cynthia Estcourt, reports the 1911 census, &lt;a href="http://www.census.nationalarchives.ed/pages/1911/Londonderry"&gt;http://www.census.nationalarchives.ed/pages/1911/Londonderry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_EGvOlQ3Dd4/TlzujR9KezI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/EMY9QUYQNBA/s1600/scan0001.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_EGvOlQ3Dd4/TlzujR9KezI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/EMY9QUYQNBA/s320/scan0001.jpg" width="224" /&gt;Maurice Edwin McConaghy (later McConaghey, living in Londonderry), John McConaghy, Lawrence McConaghy, at Westward Ho! Devon, England&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He, at age 33, and his wife,  Cynthia Joan (Estcourt) age 23, lived at 8 Victoria Park, Londonderry, district No. 5 urban,  &lt;a href="http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002856853/"&gt;http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002856853/&lt;/a&gt;; with a sister of Cynthia, and four servants, &lt;a href="http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__5_Urban/Victoria_Park/607278/"&gt;http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__5_Urban/Victoria_Park/607278/&lt;/a&gt; (find there their church affiliations, Church of England for the family and one servant, Church of Ireland for another servant, and two servants Roman Catholic) All could read and write except the little &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Start with ancients and fast forward: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Scotties" from Ireland to Scotland, Scotland back to Ireland.  See the Scots side, Edinburgh and Argyll, at &lt;a href="http://scotlandroadways.blogspot.com/2009/10/surname-roots-exodus-campbell-mcconaghy.html"&gt;Scotland Road Ways, Surname Roots, Exodus, Campbell, McConaghy&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then find Scots (and English) who were recruited by the British Crown, the landed and landless, to settle Ulster in Ireland, pushing out whoever was there, beginning in the early 1600's.  This became known as the Plantation. We need to root through &lt;i&gt;Pynnar's Survey&lt;/i&gt; more on this, for names: see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=tW6edf-80pIC&amp;amp;dq=Pynnars+Survey&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=zwTaj72Wdw&amp;amp;sig=KTwc45K2p_OVCAwreK4avdpxfsg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=rHLnSpOwFJTFlAfEkfCLCA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=8&amp;amp;ved=0CBwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false/"&gt;http://books.google.com/books?id=tW6edf-80pIC&amp;amp;dq=Pynnars+Survey&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=zwTaj72Wdw&amp;amp;sig=KTwc45K2p_OVCAwreK4avdpxfsg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=rHLnSpOwFJTFlAfEkfCLCA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=8&amp;amp;ved=0CBwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Plantation was the Ulster Plantation, of James I, and it holds roots of current conflicts with "Northern Ireland" and the Republic. We find family on many sides:&amp;nbsp; Anglo-Norman, Plantation Protestant, indigenous Irish Protestant. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...........................................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C.&amp;nbsp; McConaghy, McConnaghy, other spellings&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.  1785 est,&amp;nbsp;Matthew McConaghy was born in Greenhills, Convoy / Raphoe, County Donegal.  Farmer.&lt;br /&gt;In ____&amp;nbsp; at _______________, Matthew married Matilda Gray.  Is he buried at St. Johnston? Were his forbears part of the Ulster Plantation settlements of landed gentry, and unlanded folk, beginning 1609.&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;See our earliest found source so far, &lt;i&gt;A Special Census of Northern Ireland, Pynnar's Survey, by Rev. George Hill&lt;/i&gt;, at &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=tW6edf-80pIC&amp;amp;dq=Pynnars+Survey&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=zwTaj72Wdw&amp;amp;sig=KTwc45K2p_OVCAwreK4avdpxfsg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=rHLnSpOwFJTFlAfEkfCLCA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=8&amp;amp;ved=0CBwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false/"&gt;http://books.google.com/books?id=tW6edf-80pIC&amp;amp;dq=Pynnars+Survey&amp;amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=zwTaj72Wdw&amp;amp;sig=KTwc45K2p_OVCAwreK4avdpxfsg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=rHLnSpOwFJTFlAfEkfCLCA&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=8&amp;amp;ved=0CBwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;f=false/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matthew and Matilda's children:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.1 James McConaghy, born before 1805, and he married Jane Taylor who was born about 1821.  James owned property, as of 1858, in Roosky, Upper Raphoe, some 28 acres. See &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm&lt;/a&gt;.  He spelled the name McConnaghy.  Freepages records: McConnaghy , James , Roosky Upper &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm"&gt;&lt;em&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raphoegv.htm&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Freepages records:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;McConnaghy, James, Roosky Upper&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy, David, Ardvarnock Glebe&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy, David, Kiltole&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy, David, Tullydonnell Lower&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy , Robert , Carrickbrack&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy , Robert , Kiltole&lt;br /&gt;McConnaghy, Robert , Magherahee&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Using the double "n" spelling of McConnaghy, the other brothers are&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.2  David McConnaghy.  There are multiple listings at the 1857 Griffiths Valuation,  ours was born 1805, ours died 2/21/1871. Ours married Ann_______ who died on July 8, 1872, and is buried at Convoy Presbyterian Church.  David had with property at Tullydonnell Lower, 72 acres, and at Ardvarnock Glebe, 40 acres.  There is another David McConnaghy (or the same?) shown at Freepages, at the 1857 Griffiths Valuation, with property at Kiltole&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David and Ann's children are&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;1.2a  Nil McConaghy (double n?) (letter from Violet 1992)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.3  Robert McConnaghy.  Robert married Margaret Allen, who was born in Greenhills, Convoy / Raphoe, and died in 1857.  Robert was from - born in? - moved to Carrickbrack, County Donegal, and died in 1857.  He was a farmer.  He owned 13 acres in Raphoe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.4  Rev. Joseph McConnaghy born 1811, died 12/31/1875 , St. Johnston, County Donegal, Ireland. He married Mary McClure, St. Johnston.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; St. Johnston - St. Johnstown, Taughboyne, Co. Donegal, see &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/taughboyneproj.htm/"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/taughboyneproj.htm/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.5  Rev. John McConnaghy born 1812, died December 11, 1882, "Larkfield", Urney&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.6.  Alexander McConnaghy, born est. 1822, died 1889&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;D.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Places&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;e. the fifth son, Rev. John McConaghy, b. 1812, scholar, Glasgow Univ. 1832, ordained in 1837, Urney, lived in Sion Mills before moving to "Larkfield" Urney, County Tyrone. Married Elizabeth Cunningham b.1813,&amp;nbsp;in 1841. They had seven children, and descendants include William and his cousin Maurice, both killed in WWI.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is another Matthew McConaghy, of Antrim, born 1842, who may be the son of our Matthew, but who&amp;nbsp; knows.&amp;nbsp; This is fun, not obsessive despite the long entries here. The joy of the chase. Put enough stuff down and see what connects. Non-Maconochies, use these sites to look up your own ghosts. Family issues repeated in the generations, noone resolves, are you in the snare?&lt;br /&gt;So we see these branches&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Cunningham, maiden name&lt;br /&gt;2. McClure, maiden name&lt;br /&gt;3. The main inheritance surname, Maconochie, McConaghy, McConaghey, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Branch CUNNINGHAM? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Cunningham. Elizabeth Cunningham was the daughter of Robert Torrens of Ballyfatton Cottage, Strabane.&amp;nbsp; but Violet's brother, Charles, has a family painting of an elderly woman named Cunningham, and that name appears on the gravestone of the wife of the Reverend John McConaghy at St. Johnstone; and on the stones of several descendants.&amp;nbsp; She died in 1898. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;"Larkfield" Urney, County Tyrone.&amp;nbsp;There are apparently records dated Dec. 11, 1881 and 1882, a stone. Who was it who was age 70 then?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sion Mills - more connected to Rev. John before he moved to Larkfield?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&amp;nbsp;..............................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Branch TORRENS&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James Torrens of Urney, County Tyrone&lt;br /&gt;Daughter Sidney Torrens b. 1850, d. 1926 Rahway NJ&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Robert McClure McConaghy b.1841 married Sidney Torrens b.1850&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They had six children, including Robert McClure McConaghy (Jr? II?) b. 1876&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sidney had lived with brother Will Torrens b.1846 d. 1915 NY, and Maggie Torrens b.____, d. 1902, when they were&amp;nbsp;in Ballyfatton Cottage, Strabane&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;3. Branch McCLURE&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Rev. Joseph McConaghy married Mary McClure&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have to repeat some here. Robert McClure McConaghy married Sidney Torrens b.1850, on June 6, 1870.&amp;nbsp; Sidney is daughter of James Torrens. Sidney and Robert married at Sion Mills, County Tyrone.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;........................................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Branch McCONAGHY&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Joseph McConaghey was officient at this marriage, see June 27, 1862 and other Marriages entries, &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raymoghymn.htm"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/raymoghymn.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;III.&amp;nbsp; Questions&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1785.&amp;nbsp; Matthew McConaghy born.&amp;nbsp; There is another Matthew McConaghy, a #2, born 1842 in Bushmills. Not us, we think, see ://braddonsmith.tripod.com/id6.html/, unless a missing son of Matthew#1 is Matthew #2. There are repetitive family names there. We need Pynnars -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pynnars Survey was to provide a report on each owner of land and its status in Counties Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, Fermanagh; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pynnars Survey of Land Holders&lt;/em&gt; - this gives us the real names of landholders, and the location/ condition of their property in Ireland. This includes Counties Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, and Fermanagh with notes on Londonderry. It was originally compiled as a result of the 17th century plantation of Ireland (1609+). A landholders census record, it set about to give us the results of the 'planting' of families from outside Ireland onto Irish lands. Here, Pynnar gives us the name and condition of Undertakers, servitors, and principal natives on these Ulster lands. &lt;/blockquote&gt;That from &lt;a href="http://www.irishroots.com/id4055.htm/"&gt;http://www.irishroots.com/id4055.htm/&lt;/a&gt; Who can go through Pynnars? It is really big.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;This other site says Matthew #1 had 5 sons, not 4. See old census by Rev. John Wray in 1822, a friend and fellow clergy to Joseph McConaghy, as to his flock in Convoy, Raphoe Valley, County Donegal. Is this census the same as a book apparently written, called "Convoy", with access to records now lost.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Go to this Convoy-search result site, &lt;a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/convoybmdnotices.htm/"&gt;http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/convoybmdnotices.htm/&lt;/a&gt; and find several McConaghy's and McClures and related spellings, births, marriages deaths.&amp;nbsp; This is not my field, I am just passing connections on. Archivist, VP, is elderly. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;* Joseph McConaghy (our line) - 1811-1875&lt;br /&gt;Matriculated to Glasgow University&lt;br /&gt;Ordained 1834, Irish Presbyterian Church.&lt;br /&gt;M. Mary &lt;i&gt;McClure&lt;/i&gt;, who died 1874&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His church was at Dundee, St. Johnston, near Strabane.&lt;br /&gt;Joseph and Mary are buried there. &lt;br /&gt;Matilda Ellen McConaghy also buried there. 1843-1863. Is this a daughter? See the later Matilda, below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Both John Wray and Joseph McConaghy had "a wonderful knowledge of most diseases to which the human frame is subject and turning this knowledge to account he was enabled to alleviate mch pain and suffering throughout the entire neighborhood."&amp;nbsp; See Death of the Rev. Joseph McConaghy, copied byVP "from a newspaper cutting pasted into a session book of Saint Johnston Presbyterian Church."  We have a copy of the typed copy.&amp;nbsp; What is this custom? After praising his life, the article continues: "Nor is it by any means wonderful when as in his case the golden bowl broke, and the silver cord snapped, many, very many, real mourners were going about the streets."&amp;nbsp; Is that part of lowering the coffin? No idea.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Brother of Joseph, John McConaghy (the line of Violet)&lt;br /&gt;Matriculated to Glasgow University&lt;br /&gt;Became a Rev. also&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Son of Joseph:&amp;nbsp; James McConaghy -&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now:&amp;nbsp;  Joseph McConaghy and Mary McClure apparently had a number of sons, including a James. We find a James McConaghy who married Margretta Elizabeth Hamilton, born 1848, and a saga unfolds at the Hamilton site, by Robert Wilson Hamilton, at &lt;a href="http://www.stjohnstonandcarrigans.com/rwhamilton.html/"&gt;http://www.stjohnstonandcarrigans.com/rwhamilton.html/&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This Dr. James McConaghy (a medical doctor) is affirmed there as the son of the old minister at St. Johnston, Joseph McConaghy/&amp;nbsp; James practised in the Orkneys, and lived in Sanday. See &lt;a href="http://orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/sanday-and-dr-james-foster-mcconaghy.html"&gt;Orkney Road Ways, Sanday&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He and Margretta had five children, and they moved to London for the sake of the children's educations, but only stayed a few years. James went after his mother-in-law, Jane Hamilton, by writ in Dublin in 1886 for some 250 pounds plus interest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James's sons as they grew up moved to Australia; and Margretta and the girls followed, and then Margretta died in Melbourne. This is also part of our known tree. Just fun to find it in somebody else's records - collective memoirs. OK, Mr. Robert Wilson Hamilton.&amp;nbsp; Did Jane pay up?&amp;nbsp; If not, what are all of us owed now on that 250 pounds plus interest, hmmm? We always knew, we did, that she had it in for our handsome, winsome, Jamie....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Update 3/24/2010 - we heard from someone whose relative came into possession of a silver salver, engraved with a tribute to Dr. James Foster McConaghy who practised in Sanday, Orkney, for ten years.&amp;nbsp; Read the note and see the photos at the Orkney post,&lt;a href="http://orkneyroadways.blogspot.com/2010/03/sanday-and-dr-james-foster-mcconaghy.html"&gt; Sanday, and Dr. James Foster McConaghy&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This was the first contact, in part:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;''*** My wifes family have a commemorative 14.5" solid &lt;span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269552630_1" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 102, 204); border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; cursor: pointer;"&gt;silver plate&lt;/span&gt; presented to  Dr James Foster McConaghey on January 15 1884 by the people of Sanday  for his good works and kindness to the poor. Should you be interested to  see pictures of this plate please email....***"&lt;/blockquote&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;So we did, and here is one of the photos.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/S6qQWbchFpI/AAAAAAAAJ98/Hp6dqm1b9lk/s1600/Engraving.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/S6qQWbchFpI/AAAAAAAAJ98/Hp6dqm1b9lk/s320/Engraving.JPG" /&gt;Dr. James Foster McConaghy, engraving, silver tribute salver 1881, Sanday, Orkney&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we are looking at gaps in records; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The 1851 census apparently was lost in Ireland, so there are many gaps. We have a large family tree done by Violet, however, and will do our best with it - pending. She also did a piece on ancient history, where Celts and others went, Pytheas of Massilia (who?) great fun. No direct line of course, but interesting. What to do with her essays, accounts of her research?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;For fun, here is Louise Lucinda Brien (Hilliard) who married Robert McClure McConaghy in New York. She was my maternal grandmother. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SudNHG90niI/AAAAAAAAIxE/mvV_fbc4E04/s1600-h/louiseandbrien.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SudNHG90niI/AAAAAAAAIxE/mvV_fbc4E04/s200/louiseandbrien.jpg" /&gt;Louise Lucinda Brien (Hilliard)or Lucinda Louise Hilliard (Brien) and her father, William Brien of Glengeen Lodge, Trillick, about 1900&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Louise Lucinda is the daughter of Margaret Hilliard, who was age 13-14 and working at the great Glengeen Lodge in Trillick, where the local nobleman, William Brien - then age 39 - had his enjoyment; and Louise Lucinda resulted.&amp;nbsp; Was Margaret only&amp;nbsp;13 when the encounter took place? &lt;br /&gt;A cousin has researched that story.&amp;nbsp;Louise Hilliard, the mother of Louise Lucinda. My grandmother grew up in Trillick, County Tyrone, and migrated here - proud of her second class ticket with her mother - in about 1889.&amp;nbsp; Born 1872.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Robert McClure McConaghy married Louise Lucinda (Brien) Hilliard, here with the father, known to us only by stories, and some letters, as Mr. Brien.&amp;nbsp; If Louise came here at age 18 or so, and married at age 26 to Robert then age 28, when did they meet, where, what was she doing, was she working, was Mr. Brien supporting&amp;nbsp;"Maggie" and Louise, as we know he later did; until the stock fell in 1929 and there were no more dividends.&amp;nbsp; All gone.&amp;nbsp; One story says he had his wealth not only from inheritance but also the laying of the AT&amp;amp;T cable on the Atlantic floor.&amp;nbsp; Tales, tales.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;More distant relatives:&amp;nbsp; Here are two brothers&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;WILLIAM MCCONAGHY - died 1918. &amp;nbsp; British Medical Journal 1898 -&amp;nbsp; Dr. William McConaghey, Lt. Col&amp;nbsp; was promoted to Col. in the Bombay, India Service see &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1-PA59&amp;amp;lpg=RA1-PA59&amp;amp;dq=British%20graveyards%20mcconaghey&amp;amp;sig=iwZNPP8QMaOEgQifY7_KyhOGCqs&amp;amp;ei=NEvnSvK8FMjflAfh2PyACA&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;id=GFUBAAAAYAAJ&amp;amp;ots=DPiG4oCmhv&amp;amp;output=text/"&gt;http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA1-PA59&amp;amp;lpg=RA1-PA59&amp;amp;dq=British%20graveyards%20mcconaghey&amp;amp;sig=iwZNPP8QMaOEgQifY7_KyhOGCqs&amp;amp;ei=NEvnSvK8FMjflAfh2PyACA&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;id=GFUBAAAAYAAJ&amp;amp;ots=DPiG4oCmhv&amp;amp;output=text/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See also &lt;a href="http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27039/pages/9/page.pdf/"&gt;http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27039/pages/9/page.pdf/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Find a Major William McConaghy, died April 7, 1918, Royal Army Medical Corps, nationality UK, Suez War Memorial Cemetery, at D 89, age unknown, see the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site at &lt;a href="http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=McConaghy&amp;amp;initials=W&amp;amp;war=1&amp;amp;yearfrom=1900&amp;amp;yearto=2000&amp;amp;force=Army&amp;amp;nationality=&amp;amp;send.x=43&amp;amp;send.y=13/"&gt;http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=McConaghy&amp;amp;initials=W&amp;amp;war=1&amp;amp;yearfrom=1900&amp;amp;yearto=2000&amp;amp;force=Army&amp;amp;nationality=&amp;amp;send.x=43&amp;amp;send.y=13/&lt;/a&gt;. Start at ://www.cwgc.org/default.asp/&amp;nbsp; The cemetery is in Cairo, see ://www.ww1cemeteries.com/othercemeteries/suez_wm_cemetery.htm/ and ://www.roll-of-honour.com/Overseas/suez.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MAURICE MCCONAGHEY (brother of William, but he added the the "e") - died 1917, age 39 - Maurice Edwin McConaghey, Lt. Col.,&amp;nbsp; WWI, buried near Arras, France. See &lt;a href="http://belgiumroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/ieper-wwi-and-arras-france-finding.html"&gt;Belgium Road Ways, Battle of Ypres (Ieper), Maurice McConaghey&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Royal Scots Fusiliers, buried at a pocket cemetery called "London Cemetery" at Neuville-Vitasse, France, near Arras. III C 13. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More loose ends:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Old Matilda McConaghy and her son James McConaghy. Poor farmers in Convoy, County Donegal, visited by Violet in 1973.&amp;nbsp; But there is another Matilda born 1871 of another line, in Antrim, from Hugh McConaghy born 1776, See &lt;a href="http://braddonsmith.tripod.com/id6.html/"&gt;http://braddonsmith.tripod.com/id6.html/&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Which is this?&amp;nbsp; We are looking for the parents of our Matthew McConaghy born 1785. Any connection? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ronald McConaghy, retired army major, lived in Yorkshire, England, with wife. No children.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Christopher McConaghy and his two sons, live in South Africa.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Brother to Christopher, John McConaghy, and their mother McConaghy, living in Rhodesia (any word?)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Paddy McConaghy, daughter of the late Dr. Richard McConaghy, living in Belgium&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Charles McConaghy, brother of archivist VP, living in Bobcaygeon, Ontario, north of Toronto.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The Role of Identity in a Human Life&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is an identity, its role in shaping a life. Is slavery identity theft, with ongoing repercussions. A family history is a privilege,a source of rootedness, a starting point for learning history, as well as a recreation. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Should reparations for slavery be based on identity theft?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Michelle Obama, I have a privilege that you do not, since records of your ancestors only go a limited way:  see &lt;a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-slavery-01-dec01,0,485324.story/"&gt;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-slavery-01-dec01,0,485324.story/&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Compare that to many of us of European descent, where the records of one of our many names go back hundreds and hundreds of years and even produce some laughs or aghasts (who was paid on a note, who was executed). &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Maurice Edwin up there. Buried at Arras, France, WWI. Find him there.  Find old photos. Who married a good-looking, or prosperous person. Who did not. Worth the hunt.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt
